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Mr. Enterline,
Could you please take your argument private? I believe most of our
group are as tired of your iterations as I am. Dr. Towe has patiently
answered your concerns at least twice already.
Thank you.
Dee Longenbaugh
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At 12:19 PM 12/15/2009, Ken Towe wrote:
Jim Enterline says: "The "two-pronged attempt to authenticate" are
your words, not mine. All I'm trying to do just yet is shoot a
hole in the claim that it has been dis-authenticated.... for 32
years I have been trying to get you or someone else to perform
this experiment, which you yourself just said is critical."
I did not just say that? It was 32 years ago, Jim!
My "just said" reference was to your recent e-mail to which I was
replying in the context of our immediate discussion.
I said then it was a two-pronged attempt, and it was. The
experiment was critical to your scheme to de-dis-authenticate =
authenticate?... the map. You are playing with words using semantics.
When you make pronouncements about authenticity, you must know that
the press is going to seize upon them and exaggerate them to the
public. It is untrue that de-dis-authenticate = authenticate.
Have you ever heard of the word equivocal? I insist that the
authenticity of the Vinland Map is equivocal as long as my scenario
is a possibility. Also I think dismissing the cryptograms offhand
is rather disingenuous. I proved them to be unique. And, by the
way, the whole idea of a forger with anatase ink and carbon re-
inking is merely a scenario, not a proven result. These are not
just semantics. We had a discussion about this several years ago
on Maphist, and there are many people who are comfortable going on
with their lives not yet knowing whether the Vinland Map is
definitely authentic or not.
What shoots holes, just then and just now, in your "just yet"
scenario?
(1) the anatase has not been found on the parchment.
I thought Cahill found some traces. As my scenario stated, one
would expect most of any that was transferred there to immediately
fall off with handling, since there is no binder to hold it.
It occurs primarily in the underlying yellow-brown line not in
the overlying carbon black line.
I don't know why the carbon would hold it either. And I don't know
that it has been proven that the carbon doesn't retain any at all.
(2) the carbon ink result plays directly into the scenario you
suggested, with the originator quickly retracing his failed
gallotannate ink with carbon ink. The scribe quickly retraced the
entire map and text... almost perfectly?
As I said in my previous post, I'm willing to abandon that
requirement in my "just yet" scenario. And I gather that so has
the entire anti- camp.
(3) your experiment (as I wrote earlier) did not (and does not)
follow what you must require: "the recommended procedures of the day"
Who's to say that? At some unknown point between 1937 and 1956
Plenderleith changed his recommendations. Very obviously the map
has been experimented with in many respects. Why should a
clandestine map-seller be exempt?
PS to Jim (and anyone else): Any idea why the Davis group never
found, not even once, any of ...
(a) Mrs. Olin's "precipitate"
(b) the Abrahamson/McCulloch clay-anatase
(c) Your transferred anatase or
(d) Cahill's fortuitous paint flakes from a library ceiling...
...after studying 159 samples by PIXE? Didn't find even one place?
Not even by accident? Missed them all?
(c) As I said, I think they did report finding some trace anatase
on the uninked parchment;, probably in the 1987 paper. I don't
presently have access to the publication, but I do remember
circling such a text line (not a table entry) somewhere.
Jim
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