Many thanks to all who replied. It seems there are a couple of ways to approach this. 1. Find the arrow in the workspace and manually change the point size - the new upper limit becomes 720 pt, unless that was a typo and should have been 72 pt. The latter was big enough for me. 2. Yannick Leduc and Tim Nuteson suggested another route (quote is from Tim N.): "The trick to getting around this Mapinfo problem is to add the north arrows as text instead of symbols. For example, to add a big compass-rose type arrow, go into the layout, type an exclamation point. Then, double-click and change its font to Mapinfo Arrows. Change its size, color, etc. to what you need. To see which arrows correspond to which keystrokes, check out Start-Programs-Accessories-Character Map for the MI Arrows font." 3. A third method is to use a map window containing a nice north arrow and put it in your layout inside a frame. Jason Adam, Leith Britt and Edward Davis sent me some pre-made .tab files containing lots of nice examples. I'll forward it to anyone who's interested. Thanks again everyone. _____________________________ Tim Warman Geologist & GIS Specialist Richard C. Slade & Associates North Hollywood, CA (818) 506-0418 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]