Well summarized!
On 4/28/16 9:38 AM, Ian Rae wrote: > The accounting is incorrect, these are just marketing claims. Much is > services or "attached" revenue. In the past some analysts have confused > the revenue of entire companies (Rackspace) with being OpenStack > revenue. Bottom line is, most companies are not making money from > OpenStack itself. Many are deriving value however, but ROI is very unclear. > > There has been a huge amount of money invested in OpenStack, but many > have done so with the goal of selling their product that plugs into > OpenStack. Most of the focus is still on implementation challenges > (product market fit, time to value and supporting use cases). Some stuff > works today and some doesn't. > > And it depends how you look at "works" ...at CloudOps we are concerned > with operationalization and long term efficient operations and lifecycle > management. So for us it is hard to actually know...it is hard to find > people at the Summit who want to talk about this since most are focused > on proving a business case in the short term related to selling product > or support services. With a ton of investment some providers are seeing > success in the private cloud as a service market. You can debate the > long term usefulness of private cloud but in OpenStack it is a smart > model because it limits the scale and failure domains and it offloads > the cost of implementation and operations to the service provider. And > so it delivers value if the service provider can pull it off. Maybe > BlueBox and Rackspace can make this work longer term. > > End of day for OpenStack to be considered successful there needs to be > successful product-market fit over a reasonable period of time which > needs to give good ROI for customer, and is profitable to build maintain > and support for the service provider. It also needs to live up to the > promise of help you own your destiny as opposed to getting stuck (say > unable to upgrade or locked into a service provider). > > There are a lot of folks invested in this foundation so law of large > numbers means a few may find that business case, call it survival of the > fittest. Then again lot of folks attending the Summit are talking about > OpenStack being a "skip" technology which should concern some. Others > talk of OpenStack being just an API and the projects themselves should > compete with each other and be interchangeable. > > I think the future is going to be more complicated (not either or), and > this is the CloudOps bet. For example we have successfully > operationalized many components of OpenStack (sometimes in conjunction > with CloudStack) and our customers rely on those today and they deliver > daily value at low cost and we can upgrade them (not always easily mind > you). > > The good news for CloudStack is we continue to see growth in our > customer base and success in driving profit. I think this comes from > finding a product market fit. Still lots to solve and hoping the next > Collab (June 1-3 Montreal) will enable leadership in both solving some > issues and making progress with functionality. > > There's probably a balance in between the brazen focus on marketing over > value delivery of OpenStack foundation and the heads down in the > trenches quiet work of Apache CloudStack, but lack or large disrupted > and confused vendors may ultimately be the reason the community succeeds! > > Hoping everyone interested in this topic will attend the > June Collab conference that is showing a lot of sponsorship and interest! > > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org > > Ian > > On Thursday, 28 April 2016, Jules-Henri Gavetti <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > > Hello, > > On the French Market : > 1 year ago every body talk about OpenStack. > Now nobody care. > Why because a lot of big company lost a huge amount of money in POC > > CloudStack is business ready. > We see more and more ISV build plugin for Cloudstack > > In the 3.4 billion you have hardware, software and consulting. > > HP sell Openstack with his hardware and mix the revenue. > Every Openstack supplier do that. > > 3.4 billion doesn't really exist ! > > A bientôt > > Jules > > > Le 28 avr. 2016 à 17:50, Will Stevens <[email protected]> a > écrit : > >> I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting >> and operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of >> revenues. :) I wonder which number is bigger... >> >> You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go >> to a new version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate all of >> your workloads. >> >> I am not saying you can't make money with openstack, but I would >> rather be an openstack consultant than an openstack provider, and >> that says a lot about the actual technology... >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sunando Bhattacharya >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack >> doesn’t work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!! >> >> Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on >> most counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like >> NFV. >> >> Lets call a spade a spade >> >> *Sunando Bhattacharya* >> *M* +91 97111 52299 <tel:%2B91%2097111%2052299> >> www.indiqus.com <http://www.indiqus.com> >> >> <https://www.indiqus.com/blog> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/indiqus-technologies-pvt-ltd-> >> <https://twitter.com/INDIQUS> >> <https://plus.google.com/+Indiqus_technologies/about> >> <https://www.facebook.com/indiqus> >> >> >> /This message is intended only for the use of the individual >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information >> that is confidential and/or privileged. 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Although IndiQus attempts to sweep e-mail and >> attachments for viruses, it does not guarantee that both are >> virus-free and accepts no liability for any damage sustained >> as a result of viruses./ >> >> >> On 28 April 2016 at 8:26:21 PM, Giles Sirett >> ([email protected]) wrote: >> >>> +1 to that will >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> >>> Giles >>> >>> >>> >>> D: +44 20 3603 0541 <tel:+44%2020%203603%200541> | M: +44 796 >>> 111 2055 <tel:+44%20796%20111%202055> >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [email protected] >>> www.shapeblue.com <http://www.shapeblue.com> >>> @shapeblue >>> >>> >>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a >>>> product that works and our product works just fine. Just >>>> goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the >>>> problem... :) All that money and almost no success >>>> stories. Kind of sad really... >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-revenues-approaching-3.4b-451-research.html >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in >>>> 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and >>>> its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated >>>> >>>> <http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/citrix-walks-away-from-openstack-moves-to-apache-cloudstack.html> >>>> CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was >>>> never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, >>>> stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's. >>>> >>>> "If Citrix would have done a foundation around >>>> CloudStack, *we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not >>>> OpenStack Summit*," Sadowski said." Sadowski said. >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Madan >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Madan Ganesh Velayudham >>>> Founder & CEO >>>> ActOnMagic >>>> >>>> *Cloud Governance, Analytics, Management Simplified with >>>> ActOnCloud!* >>>> www.actonmagic.com <http://www.actonmagic.com/> >>>> >>>> >> > > > -- > Ian Rae > CEO | PDG > c: 514.944.4008 > > CloudOps | Cloud Infrastructure and Networking Solutions > www.cloudops.com <http://www.cloudops.com> | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | > Canada | H3J 1S6
