FWIW: I don't think this requires any input from VP Legal at this point.

Thanks,
Roman.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:07 AM Rohit Yadav <[email protected]>
wrote:

> (+ ASF legal)
>
> ASF Legal and Infra, /cc ACS marketing and PMC
>
> The Apache CloudStack project is exploring if the project website and blog
> can be moved to Wordpress either hosted by ASF infra or hosted by a
> 3rd-party managed service such as wordpress.com. We've asked ASF infra
> but haven't heard from them in the last three weeks, so asking again both
> ASF legal and infra where it is an official ASF/ASF-infra policy on
> requiring project websites and blogs to have version control i.e. content
> backed by a git repository (most users won't build website and blogs from
> source code).
>
> Alternatively, if indeed it is a policy of the ASF to require project
> website and blog tracked by git/source code - could we explore git-based
> CMS services such as https://forestry.io, https://www.netlifycms.org/,
> https://cloudcannon.com/, https://www.siteleaf.com. Out of which the
> netlifycms is opensource and could be hosted either by netlify or ASF infra?
>
> For reference this thread can be tracked/read here -
> https://markmail.org/message/6snytriinby3dgzv
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ivet Petrova <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2021 20:36
> *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Apache CloudStack Marketing <[email protected]>;
> [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>;
> [email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: Uploading Blog Post
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am writing to just check if we can open this discussion again. I have
> such a nice interview with Wido den Hollander and materials on why Cloud
> and Hosting Providers should choose CloudStack and how they benefit.
> It is a pity we cannot share these thing and show that CloudStack is a
> turnkey solution for cloud providers.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 Jun 2021, at 1:44, Andrija Panic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Gentle ping here.
>
> I would like to emphasise what Rohit said -  "most users won't build
> website and blogs from source code" - we need to find a suitable (yet
> manageable) solution for the websites, while still complying with Apache
> policies.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrija
>
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 11:25, Rohit Yadav <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg, Mark, infra,
>
> Ping - any thoughts, advice, opinion on questions I asked in the previous
> email esp. if it is an official ASF/ASF-infra policy on requiring project
> websites and blogs to have version control and get on a git repository
> (most users won't build website and blogs from source code - just saying).
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Rohit Yadav <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 3, 2021 14:30
> *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]>; Apache
> CloudStack Marketing <[email protected]>; [email protected] <
> [email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: Uploading Blog Post
>
> Thanks Greg, Mark for replying.
>
>
> The short answer is "downstream users should have the ability to
> access both code and website sources". That implies that the website
> source is in a version control system (git or svn) that can be used to
> generate the website, just as much as they can fetch sources to build
> the [Apache Cloudstack] releases.
>
>
> I understand the requirement for code and docs. May I ask why this is a
> requirement for the project website and blog?
> Is it any official ASF or ASF infra policy or simply a standard practice?
>
> Could the availability of posts DB/table synced to Git repo solve that in
> case of a CMS such as Wordpress or Drupal?
>
> We have not found a way to post to Wordpress.com, sourced from version
> control, so ... sorry to say: that is not a viable platform for the
> primary website. If y'all can find a way to push from version control
> over to wp.com, then yay! That would be great.
>
>
> I didn't find anything exactly but the following may be explored:
>
> https://github.com/deliciousbrains/wp-migrate-db
> https://wppusher.com/
> https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-github-sync/
>
> But I hear that TLPs can get a wordpress instance on wordpress.com
> (instead of hosting/managing ourselves), if not for the full TLP website
> but at least as a separate blog (say on blog.cloudstack.apache.org)?
> Thanks.
>
>
> Regards.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Greg Stein <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 31, 2021 18:18
> *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: Uploading Blog Post
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 10:55:58AM +0000, Rohit Yadav wrote:
>
> + users@infra (kindly, reply all so your email is visible to
>
> participants on other mailing lists copied in this thread)
>
> users@infra is a private list, so I've removed it from this reply
> (mixing public/private lists is problematic)
>
> Hi Infra,
>
> The Apache CloudStack (ACS) community is discussing options to
> migrate the project website and blog to Wordpress [1] and the
> consensus among the people on this thread is they want to go ahead
> with this. Some attempts and discussions [2][3] were made in the past.
>
>
> In particular, please note Mark Thomas' point, and my acknowledgement
> at [1].
>
> The short answer is "downstream users should have the ability to
> access both code and website sources". That implies that the website
> source is in a version control system (git or svn) that can be used to
> generate the website, just as much as they can fetch sources to build
> the [Apache Cloudstack] releases.
>
> We have not found a way to post to Wordpress.com, sourced from version
> control, so ... sorry to say: that is not a viable platform for the
> primary website. If y'all can find a way to push from version control
> over to wp.com, then yay! That would be great.
>
> Before we go ahead with a PMC vote, I want to ask Infra if this is
> technically feasible for the project website to be moved to Wordpress
> which (a) may be hosted by ASF infra (preferably as a VM or service
> much like other portals/website)
>
>
> Projects may use VMs for their primary websites, but (historically)
> Wordpress has had difficulties with self-hosting. As a result, the
> Foundation uses wordpress.com to host the Feathercast blog rather than
> attempting to self-host.
>
> Per above, if you can construct a process running on a VM, that pushes
> version control over to WP.com, then that problem is solved.
>
> (and yes, the Foundation would be fine paying the yearly fee to host
> at wp.com; that isn't a concern)
>
> or (b) by an external Wordpress
> hosting service which is under the control of ACS PMC. As I understand
> this will require the content to be migrated to a Wordpress instance
> (either option-a or option-b) and for ASF infra to update the
> CNAME/dns record.
>
>
> Per the linked email, the primary concern is the ability for
> downstream users to be able to view/construct all the content of an
> Apache product's website.
>
> Out of curiosity - are there any other projects that have their
> websites/blogs based on a CMS (a not static website builds), say
> Wordpress, Drupal etc.
>
>
> There are many projects currently using Pelican, sourced from a git
> repository, to translate Github-Flavored Markdown files to HTML static
> content. This is the Infra-recommended process/workflow for website
> publishing. Please see https://infra.apache.org/project-site.html
>
> We recommend this workflow as it allows content-editors to use
> github.com to edit/preview pages very simply, and those changes will
> quickly appear on the website when saved.
>
> Best regards,
> Greg Stein
> Infrastructure Administrator, ASF
>
> [1]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/6ec3ff74167a7feac0bd5ee6b4361deb0bea9eb8018df5a3a923b10f%40%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
>
>
>
> --
>
> Andrija Panić
>
>
>

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