Slogan #3: "kickass database for the future" +1
harald On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Johs Ensby <j...@b2w.com> wrote: > Fair and square challenge, Jan > I also appreciate the emotional energy and don't want to be in the > crossfire, but let it keep its stated direction: "kickass database for the > future" > > Johs > > PS > Since this still is the VOTE thread.. > > +1 > Slogan #3: "kickass database for the future" > > > > On 16. sep. 2015, at 21.06, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > For the CouchApp lovers in this thread: > > > > The code that powers CouchApps in CouchDB hasn’t been touched for half a > decade. It has no maintainers, it is buggy, lacks features, and nobody who > is active on the project has any interest in getting involved. > > > > We are here to discuss the future of CouchDB and it is evident that > CouchApp-like / Webserver/Appserver/Database-hybrid features are not it, > regardless of how excited or invested you are. > > > > If you REALLY REALLY care about this particular feature set, you will > have to step and MAKE IT WORK in CouchDB. That means getting into the dirty > C, Erlang and JS parts of CouchDB and making this ready for the future. If > you say, well, it isn’t so much work as I say, great! Get cracking. > > > > If you can’t get together and push this forward, the project will go > with a direction that its direct contributors are happy to work on, to > maintain, fix and improve. And then any discussion about how to maybe > phrase CouchDB’s marketing message in a way that CouchApps are still hot > are totally NOT where this is going. > > > > You won’t be willing the project into submission for you pet features by > teaming up on these discussions as a very vocal (dare I say attention > vampire) minority, while the rest of us are quietly trying to ship a kick > as database for the future. > > > > This is open source, we all get a say in where we want to see things > going, but at the end of the day, you will have to put in the elbow grease > to make things happen like you want them. We are liberal with giving out > committership, there are literally no barriers to entry, except for a > half-decade old pile of technical debt that nobody else dares to touch. > > > > *drops mic* > > > > *picks up mic again* > > > > PS: before you consider turning this into an ad-hominem attack, or some > insinuation that I am abusing my PMC Chair position to push through my > personal agenda or vendetta against you and your loved ones, or any of this > sort of crap (that has come up before), keep it to yourself, thanks. > > > >> On 16 Sep 2015, at 14:42, ermouth <ermo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> what went wrong? > >>> how and where do we collect ideas about a slogan? > >> > >> ML is unsuitable – low engagement, no navigation, zillions of cluttering > >>>>>> in replies, inability to participate if you subscribed after topic > was > >> issued and so on. Only flaming enthuziasts can use this tool, all others > >> just pass by. Apache better understand it, enforcing usage of this tool. > >> > >> And even for enthuziasts it‘s hard to track topics, splitted into > several > >> threads. You can only do it only in inbox – all web UI are even more > ugly. > >> > >>> Imo this should be a form where > >> > >> Form seems too much for slogan. Twitter is enough good, restricts length > >> and provides perfect engagement. If you ask on twi (and do it at least > >> three times taking in account timezones), I think you could receive a > lot > >> of good new slogans. > >> > >> Since slogans all are short, it wouldn‘t be hard to create short list – > >> about 10-15-20 positions I think. > >> > >> For final poll there exist a lot of online instruments. Also voting > should > >> hide poll results for person until he or she votes – it titillates > person‘s > >> curiosity and motivates to make a click. Option ‘I do not want to vote, > >> want to see results’ is also good to ensure you‘ll have no random clicks > >> just to uncover current results. > >> > >>> what did we discuss if most of the proposals are voted with -1 > >> > >> It only means that both options proposed for voting are weak. > >> > >> BR > >> > >> ermouth > > > > -- > > Professional Support for Apache CouchDB: > > http://www.neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/ > > > >
