Agreed. I have a BS in Mass Communications. Just FYI. On Aug 11, 2011 7:56 AM, "David Emmerich Jourdain" < jourd...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Hi Tom, > > 2011/8/10 Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> > >> Hi :) >> So ban people from those positions unless they can speak English? It >> seems a >> bit elitist to me. >> > > My intention isn't to make elitism (not at all), just to be on the realism. > > We can not forget that the core language is English. In the TDF lists and in > almost all businesses in the world. I prefer German ;-), but as my mother > language, all others languages are, in a certain way, in the margins of the > relationships. > > So, I understand that English will always be vital to our activities. > > Marketing actions are already done in local languages and certainly will > keep going. We can see this on the pt_BR lists, on the german lists. But to > be on the int-lists or to participate in international discussions (via > skype or gtalk, or with another verbal way) I understand that all > stakeholders need English, not just some middlemen. > > Why "middle men"? Why not "middle women"? >> > > And for sure, if we need, I prefer "middle women" at all!! :-) > > In an stinky atmosphere of men, have some smelling women in the middle is > much better, even if it's virtual! :-D > > Best regards, > > David > > >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: David Emmerich Jourdain <jourd...@documentfoundation.org> >> To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org >> Sent: Wed, 10 August, 2011 21:15:50 >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers >> >> Hi, >> >> 2011/8/10 Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> >> >> > Hi :) >> > It might be possible for a team of people or even an individual that >> don't >> > speak >> > English to choose someone that does speak English to translate between >> > their >> > team and the English, perhaps more than one person. >> > Regards from >> > Tom :) >> > >> >> I agree with all the notes given by all. Except this one. >> >> So, as Paulo already have manifested in the brasilian lists and in the >> international lists, it's delicate to have people who communicate through >> other, and that would happen here with this idea. Whether in Brazil or in >> any country. >> >> I agree that English can be a barrier in Brazil, as in other countries. But >> let middlemen emerge can create filters. And I'm not saying this just >> thinking about Brazil. After all, as I said, other countries are also >> experiencing this problem, you may be right. >> >> So, I think that the marketing list really should think about that idea, to >> have more contributors or "Mitarbeiter", but I think that everybody on this >> list need to communicate in English. Without intermediaries, without >> filters. >> >> Best, >> >> David >> >> >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Paulo de Souza Lima <paulo.s.l...@varekai.org> >> > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org >> > Sent: Wed, 10 August, 2011 20:51:47 >> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers >> > >> > Hi Florian, >> > >> > >> > > Hello, >> > > since September 28th, 2010, everyone of you has done a fantastic job, >> > > invested a tremendous amount of work, and has been contributing a lot >> to >> > > make LibreOffice what it is today -- a software used worldwide, a >> > > well-recognized brand, and a name people trust in, something that >> stands >> > > for >> > > free software, open standards and a major productivity suite. >> > > Many of you have recognized that we have not yet set-up fixed community >> > > roles, official titles or named team leads. This has been on purpose, >> to >> > > not >> > > create fixed structures from the beginning, and I have a feeling we are >> > > performing very well with this approach. In the next months, I am sure >> > that >> > > we will see some more structure growing, but I hope it will not be as >> > > diverse and large as we had it with OpenOffice.org -- to me, the "flat" >> > > approach we are following at LibreOffice works very well and keeps >> > lowering >> > > barriers for people joining the community. When many people contribute >> > > their >> > > amazing talent, creativity and a lot of time, it is not necessary to >> have >> > > too many different "hierarchies" in the project. >> > >> > >> > I fully agree to that!!! We are working just fine without such titles and >> > hierarquies... >> > >> > >> > > However, there is one area where we should move forward and work for >> more >> > > structures, and that is marketing. >> > > Those who have been involved with OpenOffice.org remember our so-called >> > > "MarCons", the marketing contacts, and I would like to start building >> > > something similar in the LibreOffice community. We had various >> > discussions >> > > on the marketing mailing list on this topic, and there is a common >> > > agreement >> > > that this approach is worth a try. For those who don't remember, have a >> > > look >> > > at this page: http://marketing.openoffice.**org/contacts.html< >> > > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html>Don't >> > > be irritated by the fact that some well-known LibreOffice people are >> > > still listed, it seems that nobody updated the page since September... >> > > >> > >> > <snip> >> > >> > >> > > What I want to do is to have a strong and solid network of marketeers >> for >> > > the *LibreOffice* project. They do not represent the Foundation as >> legal >> > > entity, but even more do represent the Community, the project and the >> > > product. >> > > So, in a nutshell, I am aiming for a distinction between the >> Foundation's >> > > official spokespeople, and the LibreOffice project's spokespeople. The >> > > rationale behind this is that in the future, the Foundation might have >> > > several projects, each with their own contacts. >> > > Ideally, for every international projects that we currently have - >> > > http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Local_**Mailing_Lists< >> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists>- >> > > we should find at least two community representatives, ideally even >> > > three. >> > > They will be listed on an official website, should get some official >> > title >> > > that we still can decide on ("Marketing Contact" might be a good >> choice, >> > > but >> > > I'm open to other solutions), be elegible to use LibreOffice business >> > > cards, >> > > and will be the first point of contact for any marketing, PR or >> > > journalist-related inquiries in their area. So, while not legally >> > > representing the Foundation, those contacts should be recognized as >> > > officially spokespeople for the project and the community. >> > > Their list of tasks is wide and interesting, like organization of trade >> > > shows, translating press releases, giving interviews and answering >> > > journalist questions. They will also have many important duties inside >> > the >> > > project, the most important one being a "gateway" between the >> > international >> > > marketing of LibreOffice and the local marketing, communicating ideas >> in >> > > both directions and giving feedback. Marketing heavily depends on the >> > > market >> > > and the area, and the better everyone understands the situation of >> > > different >> > > areas, the more we can improve our global marketing efforts. >> > > Of course, and especially since this is a volunteer job, nobody has to >> do >> > > the job alone. ;-) The most important is that there are trusted >> contacts >> > in >> > > each region who have an overview what is going on, who are willing to >> > > coordinate things, and who can also cry for help in case things do not >> > work >> > > out the way they plan. Challenges and tasks will heavily differ between >> > > various regions, but the core set of todos will be rather similar. >> > > In order to make that magic happen, I also aim for improving the >> > > communication between the various international groups. One proposal >> that >> > > we >> > > currently investigate is to transform the marketing conference calls >> into >> > > some sort of monthly updates on what is going on in the community. We >> > will >> > > also ensure that all marketing contacts will receive press releases >> > before >> > > they are made public, so they have enough time to translate them or, >> see >> > > above, search for another volunteer to do the translation. >> > >> > >> > Should those people be voted and have a mandate or those positions will >> be >> > for a "lifetime"? =) >> > I think we could locally promote ellections from time to time. What do >> you >> > think? >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Before I start writing an encyclopedia on community marketing and make >> > > everybody tired, I have some tasks for you. ;-) >> > > I would like to ask everyone to discuss this idea on their local >> mailing >> > > lists in their native language (feel free to translate my e-mail if you >> > > want), and to hear what they are thinking. Share this idea with them, >> let >> > > us >> > > know their questions, feedback, ideas and of course constructive >> > criticism, >> > > and ask if you have some people on the list who would be willing to >> serve >> > > as >> > > marketing contacts. Ideally, we find a good combination of newcomers >> and >> > > experts, in order to help new contributors join our marketing efforts, >> > > while >> > > having experienced colleagues at their side, helping them to find their >> > > way. >> > > I will try to draw some graph illustrating my ideas and put it into the >> > > wiki. >> > >> > >> > Albino has put this into discussion in our local list. >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Ideally, the local groups will propose candidates and have a vote on >> them >> > > in >> > > the neat future, and we then can start a kick-off meeting via Skype, >> > phone, >> > > or even face to face in Paris. >> > > I would be honoured to work with a strong network of marketeers to >> shape >> > > the >> > > future of LibreOffice, and I look forward to your feedback! >> > >> > >> > So, I suppose the candidates should be able to speak English, not only >> > read/write in that language, am I wrong? If I'm right, this issue will >> > reduce the possibilities of many candidates, at least in Brazil. >> > >> > In the other hand, local marketing teams could have one or two contacts >> > between them and the international marketing team, and open wider >> > possibilities to people who can't communicate in English. I'm not sure >> how >> > this could work yet. Any idea? >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Florian >> > > -- >> > > Florian Effenberger <flo...@documentfoundation.org**> >> > > Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation >> > > Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 >> > > Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff >> > >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > -- >> > Paulo de Souza Lima >> > Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador >> > http://www.pasl.net.br >> > http://almalivre.wordpress.com >> > Curitiba - PR >> > Linux User #432358 >> > Ubuntu User #28729 >> > >> > "For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and >> > the >> > peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle >> > between virtues and defects" - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher >> > >> > -- >> > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> > Problems? >> > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >> > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> > deleted >> > >> > -- >> > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> > Problems? >> > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >> > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> > deleted >> > >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted >
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