Hello everyone, I'd like to contribute to the discussion in making two kinds of comments. Please bear on with me.
I would like to make the first kind of comments in order to correct certain points that were made, because they would lead to factual mistakes or misunderstandings... A couple of points in particular: You cannot really integrate a QT app in LibreOffice, simply because the QT stack and the LibreOffice one are completely different. Packaging the two would probably not even make any sense. So we can't pick something we like and "integrate" it. (BTW: we tried that in the past with Thunderbird and Gecko. It was a BIG FAIL). Besides, we need to think in terms of front end and back-end as well here. The second point is about recruitment of developers. I hope that I'm not making myself a mistake in assuming that what is being understood is to actually hire developers... perhaps what is meant is attracting developers? In any case, we cannot mandate developers to work on something like we would do in a company. It's a big difference between a business and a FOSS community and project. Developers join by themselves, provided the information is there. That was for the first kind of comments; now, I'd like to open the discussion a bit more. I must admit I am myself very, very unclear on what we are trying to achieve with Base. And it's not just now, it's always been the case (for me, at least). Base was added to Openoffice.org as a new module and the whole experience was suboptimal. It did obviously feel a gap in the feature set, but it seems we've never really been able to compete with MS Access, and somehow we tried to achieve something different in the mean time. The result now is not that we have developers not doing anything on Base (in fact, we do). The result is that there are less resources on this because developers are simply less interested in acting on it, and there's nothing we can force them to do (or not do). Hence, one thing that might help -and this is very much a call for brainstorm, with the hope that we collect expectations about Base- is to gather feedback from users, see what we can understand from their use, or non-use of Base, and not being afraid to ask some real questions. As an example: should Base be scrapped off? Should we use it as a front end to another DB? should we try to compete with Access? Should it be geared towards a more complete usage (read: integrated as a front end to enterprise DB); is it enough to squash the reported bugs on Base? etc. After that survey we can a) analyze the results b) take action in two forms: suggestions to the broader community (devs included) or writing a set of RFEs (Request For Enhancement). RFEs are something developers can work with. You may call them hacks, but the point is this; you describe in technical and functional terms, step by step, what a feature should be. Not just "It should be able to compete with Access" or "it should be red". But rather: "description of feature, rationale, behaviour, usage scenario, etc.". Hope this helps, and sorry for the long email. best, Charles. Le 14/09/2011 14:41, Tom Davies a écrit : > Hi :) > > Yes, indeed. And for that we need documentation on Base. Devs are likely to > need documentation in order to understand how it should be working in order > to do serious work on it but the documentation can't be written until devs > start clearing the bugs! It's a "Chicken & egg" problem. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Wed, 14/9/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions > <webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote: > > From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <webmas...@krackedpress.com> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Recruitment for Base (Was Re: > [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?) > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Wednesday, 14 September, 2011, 2:39 > > On 09/13/2011 04:50 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: >> Hi David, all, >> >> David Nelson wrote (13-09-11 09:05) >> >>> As a general thing in the LibreOffice project, I think we need to >>> think seriously about a determined recruitment drive, for Base and for >>> various other areas of the project. Just waiting for people to >>> volunteer does not seem to be enough to cater to our needs for >>> contributors. >>> >>> Marketing guys, can you give this consideration? >> >> Looks a good idea to me. >> >> The goal is to make it attractive for developers, isn't it? >> Of course those people are not attracted by a just mail base list for their >> own. They can be attracted when the work is considered cool, technology wise >> interesting, some area they user for themselves, maybe important. At least, >> that is my first thought. >> So we should think about bringing that message across. >> Correct? >> >> Cheers, >> > If we had more documentation for and people who really knows Base, it would > be easier to "sell" LO to some businesses. I know a user that I had to add > Office 2003 to his system since that was a deal breaker. He has all of the > books and modeling work in data base formats and cannot "live" without > Access. He created those DBs with MSO 97 and did not upgrade to MSO 2003 > until he switched computers and could not find the install CD for '97. So > unless LO can easily use Access files and reports and forms he created over > the years, he will not go to LO, even thought he likes the idea behind LO and > FOSS. > > So we really need to get more people to learn Base and ways for other to > easily learn how to use it. > > Any ideas that helps that goal is greatly needed for my group of business > users that need databases in their small businesses. That is the onlly real > thing stopping them from switching over completely. > > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
