John Tierney wrote:
Hi Peter,
Thanks for all the work you all are doing! Working together
is surely the desired path!
I ask the following questions because I am attending a Computers and
Writing Conference at Purdue University May 20-22, 2010. On Saturday
morning May 22nd we will be putting on a Sugar Workshop for K-12
Teachers, University Professors and Students.
http://www.digitalparlor.org/cw2010/workshops (bottom of page)
I will be joined by Tammy Conrad-Salvo Associate Director Purdue Writing
Lab, Gerald Ardito who has headed up and XO-Sugar on a Stick deployment
in Six fifth grade classes over the last two years and has based his PHD
Dissertation on Sugar(Defending May 21st), and by distance Walter and
Prof. Rich Rice Texas Tech(has an XO display at Science Spectrum Lubbock,TX).
We will be distributing 300 Sugar CD's for all conference participants to
try out. I am trying to figure out if Mirabelle is the choice for this occasion.
If we do give out Mirabelle, I want to be able to be very clear with Audience
on expectations with additional activities. If this is framed in the correct way
we could turn this into a group of activities testers.(Since they are Computers
and Writing group they are very technically oriented but that does not mean
on the command line) As part of our presentation we will be talking about
University
Level Professors and Students collaborating with K-12 Teachers in a multi-discipline
way reaching out to College of Education and College of Computer Science colleagues
to participate with student project work as resources.
I believe we are all working towards the same goal. From the marketing,
educational outreach, not so techy side of things, I believe we need some
help actually understanding the process of getting the activities qualified, the
time frame(timeline), the upstream-downstream relationships. I along with the
Teachers, Educators, University Professors outside of Computer Science have
a hard time understanding and visualizing the process.
Possibly a Workflow/Mindmap/Timeline Project Map that explains the SoaS Process,
the Sugar build, the Fedora build, the connections/constraints as they relate to
Upstream-Downstream, who is Upstream-Downstream, the dates when activity testing
should take place, and any other tasks/constraints that relate to putting together this
successful build. If you could come up with a one page visual that would be enormously
helpful to our messaging and help new members of the Sugar Community understand the
mechanisms and processes related to FOSS projects. Having a Big Picture view helps
understand where your individual work fits in and also helps with the
expectation aspect.
Clear, Simple, Visual.
After this stable build with group of activities is released, what is process and what
will it take to get other activities working?
Some questions:
Is there a plan to include with the release a Guide with Screenshots for Bug
Tracking
(How to file bug and where for SoaS 3), Activity testing reports, USB Creator. For the
Elementary teacher, College of Education individual, and the students the screenshot
variety of tutorial is essential. If not I understand with lack of resources, but could
this possibly be worked on following release.(I read in the threads that some documentation
is being included) Doing a little extra here by going beyond written instuctions on the wiki
and putting together these screenshot tutorials will help the future users of Sugar tremendously.
Another question would be after they receive Mirabelle and go to ASLO to get
more activities what exactly happens?
Do they just try and download any Activity and see if they work?
Will they be prevented from downloading non-working activities?
Do we have a second list of partially working or completely broken activities?
No but the versions of sugar they are designed for are listed on ASLO
Some Suggestions:
1-)Download
http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/ASLO.iso
It contains 111 activities to burn to a CD
You can use them from the CD or put them on a USB Stick and drag drop
them from the stick into the running sugar journal.
This is a way to do quick installs without internet access.
Users can test them and remove them if they do not work. ( it is
included in the DVD listed below)
2-) Download and burn the DVD:
http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/SugarCreatonKit07.iso
This has pdf.s of the Floss Manuals and Many other source and learning
materials :
----------------------------------------------------
==What is on this DVD?==
version .07
* What is Sugar.pdf
(http://en.flossmanuals.net/sugar)
*-Read Me First Floss Manuals {Folder}
http://en.flossmanuals.net
(Browse)
(Chat)
(funWith the Journal)
(Make Your Own Activities)
>How to write sugar activities by James Simmons
(Write)
(Record)
(The Terminal)
(Turtle art)
(Write)
*CONTENTS OF DVD.txt
(listing of DVD Contents-THIS DOCUMENT)
*-The Undiscoverable Features of Sugar.pdf
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable
125mb
*-soas-2-blueberry-direct-cleared-3GB.img.xz
http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/soas-3-20100319-2GBUSB-Corrected.img.bz2
440mb
(stable 4 GB USB img file for Blueberry with ext3 file structure)
use this command in root terminal to write: dd if=xxxxx.img of=/dev/sd(*)
* path to your USB BE Certain this is correct, VERY DANGEROUS!
*-soas-3-20100319.iso
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/3/soas-3-20100319.iso
454m
(Stable f13 spin with minimal number of applications)
*-soas-2-blueberry.iso
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/soas-2-blueberry.iso
380m
(Burn this to a CD and Boot with it)
*-soas-1-strawberry.iso
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/soas-1-strawberry.iso
380m
(Burn this to a CD and Boot with it)
* SugarClone {folder}
http://people.sugarlabs.org/fgrose/
(script files for making a customized live USB Self-replicating)
( superclone.pdf)
( modified_livecd-iso-to-disk)
( newSugarStick)
( SugarClone)
( transferSugarImage)
( Duplicating SoaS with customization.txt)
*-livecd-iso-to-disk.sh
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh
21.k
*-How to Make a USB Stick.txt
(instructions on how to use the above script)
*-soas-1-boot.iso
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/soas-1-boot.iso
8.4m
(Use as CD to Boot strawberry v1 USB for older PC's)
*-soas-2-boot.iso
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/soas-2-boot.iso
14m
(Use as CD to Boot Blueberry v2 USB for older PC's)
*-image-writer-mac
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/image-writer-mac
6.8k
(Intel Mac-use to make a non persistent USB from an .iso file)
*-image-writer
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/image-writer
7.9k
(use to make a non persistent USB from an .iso file)
*-HOW TO MAKE an ISO from a CD or DVD.txt
*-How to Make a USB Stick.txt
*-How To Sugarize applications.txt
*-Working with Live USB's.txt
*-PREPARATION OF AN OPERATIONAL SoaS USB KEY
(Jean Thiéry [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]
Member of OLPC-France [http://olpc-france.org])
*-ASLO.iso
http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/ASLO-xo.tar.gz
566m
(111 application.xo files copy to a USB and drag drop into sugar journal
to install them to Sugar)
*-Fedora-12-i386-netinst.iso
(Minimal CD to make your own custom fedora USB or Hard Disk install
REQUIRES HIGH SPEED INTERNET CONNETCTION TO USE)
Note: A USB install may take 6+ hrs at high speed
--------------------------------------------------------
You could burn some of these DVD's and distribute them with Mirabelle.
Tom Gilliard
satellit
I want to fully understand the present situation that way when we present to them
I will know the kind of resources to ask them to try to put in place when they
return
to their perspective Universities and reach out to colleagues.
I am toying with the idea of giving them two CD's. One would include the image that
Gerald Ardito is using in New York and has been working well. The second would
be
much like the SoaS Creation Kit with the Mirabelle image included. What are your
thoughts on this approach?
Thanks For All the Hard Great Work You Guys are Doing!
John Tierney
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:54:55 +0100
From: pbrobin...@gmail.com
To: sdaly...@gmail.com
CC: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org;
sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Marketing] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!
Sean,
I would much rather we work together as well!
Firstly your point "(SoaS-1 was beta-1, SoaS-2 was v1, etc.)" is a
completely different point of view than your previous official press
releases from SugarLabs [1] and [2]. I believe one of the major points
of marketing is about consistency.
To quote the first release "LinuxTag, Berlin, June 24, 2009: Sugar
Labs™, nonprofit provider of the Sugar Learning Platform to over
one-million children worldwide, announces the immediate availability
of Sugar on a Stick v1 Strawberry." and the second "PARIS, December 8,
2009 — Netbook World Summit — Sugar Labs(R), volunteer-driven
nonprofit provider of the Sugar Learning Platform for over one-million
children around the world, announces the release of Sugar on a Stick
v2 Blueberry."
You are correct.... we all want "to make Sugar better known". The
whole reason we have slimmed down the Activities is to make the
included Activities stable so "Sugar could catch on quickly if robust"
but I completely disagree with your "the new version won't fulfil the
demo role". The whole point of the Activities chosen was to cover all
the major features of Sugar in a group of Activities that is stable
and works. As stated previously I and others think we are better off
shipping a smaller selection of Activities that cover all main
features of Sugar such as Collaboration and Media rather than 100s of
Activities that don't work as expected, crash randomly or fail of
different hardware. So what major features of Sugar have we missed in
the list of included Activities?
Given that there is not enough people doing QA and that I believe we
are better off shipping a smaller stable base that demos the core
features of Sugar. If we stop releasing official releases until we had
the resources to make every Activity stable and tested we would never
have released "Sugar on a Stick v1 Strawberry" or "Sugar on a Stick v2
Blueberry" and by the time that happened for v3 people would have long
since forgotten that SoaS even existed..... not what the ides of
Marketing is about and we wouldn't be making "Sugar better known, to
developers, to teachers, and to the industry (OEMs...)."
Peter
[1]
http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=press&article=20090624&language=english#20090624
[2]
http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=press&article=20091208&language=english#20091208
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd much rather we work together. Making Sugar and its Activities
robust is a challenge and doing so on Sugar on a Stick even more. We
have a resources problem that needs to be solved; part of the solution
is to make Sugar better known, to developers, to teachers, and to the
industry (OEMs...). It's a chicken-and-egg situation; Sugar could
catch on quickly if robust, but that requires resources we don't have.
But teachers, education buyers, journalists need to be able to see and
touch Sugar, and for that they need a solution (the historical
scarcity of XOs for reviewers has been part of OLPC's PR problem since
the start). Sugar on a Stick has had that role. However, the new
version (as well as it will fulfill a production role) won't fulfill
the demo role. This creates a problem. The version numbers were
marketing numbers (SoaS-1 was beta-1, SoaS-2 was v1, etc.) and
appropriating the number for a version unsuitable for demoing Sugar
means marketing can't work with it.
Sean
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sean,
I'm so pleased that you think that all the hard work that Sebastian,
myself and all the other Sugar developers that have put into the Sugar
0.88 release and associated SoaS release is so 0.5. and a whole lot
less than previous releases. I think your choice is demeaning to the
hard work that everyone does and without active testing of other
Activities by other people it only hurts SoaS when things don't work
because the release team are the only people that test stuff and
aren't paid full time to do this.
Peter
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote:
As stated previously, it's a mistake for this release to be numbered v3.
I won't be able to do anything with it.
Sean
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3
will be as below unless someone gives me reasonable doubt as to the
release team's (Sebastian and myself) decision.
So the final list is:
- browse
- physics
- turtleart
- irc
- log
- terminal
- Record
- Read
- Write
- Chat.
- etoys
In literally the last 10 minutes Sebastian and I have fixed the Write
issue and over the last 2 weeks with the latest Record release and a
number of fixes and testing I've got Record to what seems to be a
stable and working release. The last of the changes should be in the
daily build from tomorrow (including a fix from sdz for the lack of a
boot screen).
One thing to note is that other than sdz and I there has only been one
other person test and report back on the builds (Thanks Thomas!) so if
you haven't done so until now we are now on the home straight so
please test. I don't want to here the day after release "Blah is
broken" because someone hasn't taken 10 minutes to test the release, I
will be less than impressed!
For those who forget where they can get the daily build you can from this link.
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/
Regards,
The SoaS release team!
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