Oh yes Tom I saw that - fabulous! thanks
Sean On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Thomas C Gilliard <satel...@bendbroadband.com> wrote: > > > Sean DALY wrote: > > No, the version numbers in the press releases were changes I proposed > fom the existing numbering. So SoaS-1 became the beta-1, SoaS-2 became > the v1. The objective was to make the numbers instantly > understandable, and allow us to build omentum wth each release. > > Unfortunately, we can't do that with Mirabelle, since it is missing > key e-book reading Activities we were promoting just six months ago. > We need to be consistent. I have no doubt it's solid engineering, but > It's unfortunately quite disconnected from our marketing strategy, > which is why we should be on the same page when a major decision like > removing all Activities needs to be taken. > > I'm at a loss how to proceed, probably the best approach is to > position Mirabelle as a part of the Sugar Creation Kit and promote > that. > > Sean > > > > > Sean; > With the availability of this file: > > http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/ASLOxo-2+ss.tar.bz2 > > Description: > > ASLOxo-2+ss.tar.bz2 contains all of the latest versions of .xo Activities > on http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/ > Plus some downloaded from announcements on sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > and other sources. > There about 140 on it. > > * There is also included an Open Office.ods Spreadsheet of tested Activities > on a Mirabelle 501 USB > > The spreadsheet is sorted in alphabetical order of application name for > easy lookup of the activity number on this link. > Older versions of each application are also listed under the activity > number on this site. > (These may be needed for older versions like sugar eg:0.82-0.86 and should > be tested for compatabilty under these versions of sugar.) > The ASLO writeup on the features of each application are included when > available. > I also added a column with quick comments/observations... > This Spreadsheet should act as an easy to use key to the activity.xo files > > This file will be included in the final version of SugarCreationKit. > Any of these 140+ applications, that are marked as compatable, can be easily > added to Mirabelle > This includes at least 3 reading applications > GetBooks > Get IA Books > library > I am attaching this spreadsheet for you to look at. > > **Can you market this as an Important New feature?** > > Mirabelle is analogous to an OS with core applications, that comes with many > free applications in same Package that can be easily added for > customization, with no need for Internet Access! > > With the SugarClone script by Frederick Grose , It is easy for a teacher to > customize and duplicate repeatedly these customized USB sticks. > > Tom Gilliard > satellit > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Sean, > > I would much rather we work together as well! > > Firstly your point "(SoaS-1 was beta-1, SoaS-2 was v1, etc.)" is a > completely different point of view than your previous official press > releases from SugarLabs [1] and [2]. I believe one of the major points > of marketing is about consistency. > > To quote the first release "LinuxTag, Berlin, June 24, 2009: Sugar > Labs™, nonprofit provider of the Sugar Learning Platform to over > one-million children worldwide, announces the immediate availability > of Sugar on a Stick v1 Strawberry." and the second "PARIS, December 8, > 2009 — Netbook World Summit — Sugar Labs(R), volunteer-driven > nonprofit provider of the Sugar Learning Platform for over one-million > children around the world, announces the release of Sugar on a Stick > v2 Blueberry." > > You are correct.... we all want "to make Sugar better known". The > whole reason we have slimmed down the Activities is to make the > included Activities stable so "Sugar could catch on quickly if robust" > but I completely disagree with your "the new version won't fulfil the > demo role". The whole point of the Activities chosen was to cover all > the major features of Sugar in a group of Activities that is stable > and works. As stated previously I and others think we are better off > shipping a smaller selection of Activities that cover all main > features of Sugar such as Collaboration and Media rather than 100s of > Activities that don't work as expected, crash randomly or fail of > different hardware. So what major features of Sugar have we missed in > the list of included Activities? > > Given that there is not enough people doing QA and that I believe we > are better off shipping a smaller stable base that demos the core > features of Sugar. If we stop releasing official releases until we had > the resources to make every Activity stable and tested we would never > have released "Sugar on a Stick v1 Strawberry" or "Sugar on a Stick v2 > Blueberry" and by the time that happened for v3 people would have long > since forgotten that SoaS even existed..... not what the ides of > Marketing is about and we wouldn't be making "Sugar better known, to > developers, to teachers, and to the industry (OEMs...)." > > Peter > > [1] > http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=press&article=20090624&language=english#20090624 > [2] > http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=press&article=20091208&language=english#20091208 > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'd much rather we work together. Making Sugar and its Activities > robust is a challenge and doing so on Sugar on a Stick even more. We > have a resources problem that needs to be solved; part of the solution > is to make Sugar better known, to developers, to teachers, and to the > industry (OEMs...). It's a chicken-and-egg situation; Sugar could > catch on quickly if robust, but that requires resources we don't have. > But teachers, education buyers, journalists need to be able to see and > touch Sugar, and for that they need a solution (the historical > scarcity of XOs for reviewers has been part of OLPC's PR problem since > the start). Sugar on a Stick has had that role. However, the new > version (as well as it will fulfill a production role) won't fulfill > the demo role. This creates a problem. The version numbers were > marketing numbers (SoaS-1 was beta-1, SoaS-2 was v1, etc.) and > appropriating the number for a version unsuitable for demoing Sugar > means marketing can't work with it. > > Sean > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Sean, > > I'm so pleased that you think that all the hard work that Sebastian, > myself and all the other Sugar developers that have put into the Sugar > 0.88 release and associated SoaS release is so 0.5. and a whole lot > less than previous releases. I think your choice is demeaning to the > hard work that everyone does and without active testing of other > Activities by other people it only hurts SoaS when things don't work > because the release team are the only people that test stuff and > aren't paid full time to do this. > > Peter > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > As stated previously, it's a mistake for this release to be numbered v3. > > I won't be able to do anything with it. > > Sean > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3 > will be as below unless someone gives me reasonable doubt as to the > release team's (Sebastian and myself) decision. > > So the final list is: > - browse > - physics > - turtleart > - irc > - log > - terminal > - Record > - Read > - Write > - Chat. > - etoys > > In literally the last 10 minutes Sebastian and I have fixed the Write > issue and over the last 2 weeks with the latest Record release and a > number of fixes and testing I've got Record to what seems to be a > stable and working release. The last of the changes should be in the > daily build from tomorrow (including a fix from sdz for the lack of a > boot screen). > > One thing to note is that other than sdz and I there has only been one > other person test and report back on the builds (Thanks Thomas!) so if > you haven't done so until now we are now on the home straight so > please test. I don't want to here the day after release "Blah is > broken" because someone hasn't taken 10 minutes to test the release, I > will be less than impressed! > > For those who forget where they can get the daily build you can from this > link. > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/ > > Regards, > The SoaS release team! > _______________________________________________ > SoaS mailing list > s...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > _______________________________________________ Marketing mailing list Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing
