On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Samuel Greenfeld <sam...@greenfeld.org> wrote:
> I don't see promoting strengths as mutually exclusive with researching > weaknesses. > I don't see the correlation between your questions and researching weaknesses. > But Sugar's crusade reminds me a lot of Les Miserables. Being too > insistent on ideals may cause others to abandon their support. > That is a fair comparison. But as I tried to make clear, this is my perspective on the project. There are many people on the ground that just want to use the tools. They have different motivations/goals. > Perhaps we should ask marketing to do a SWOT (Strengths Weaknesses > Opportunities Threats) analysis. However we might not have enough funds > for more than an online survey of current/past users and indirect friends > of the project. > I recall we went through such an exercise a few years back... we should do it again. > On Jun 23, 2016 8:21 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Samuel Greenfeld <sam...@greenfeld.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Historically there have been several organizations financially >>> supporting Sugar development. >>> >>> But at least some of those have left, others have reduced their >>> contributions, and it is unclear to me if any new groups have made >>> significant tangible investments in the project. >>> >>> The XO laptop and icon, both commonly associated with Sugar, are OLPC >>> trademarks. There is nothing stopping anyone from licensing these and >>> putting applications in the Android/Apple/Chromebook stores claiming to be >>> "Based on Sugar" with a new "Journal" interface. >>> >>> In short: Sugar is having trouble expanding beyond its current >>> territory, or at least publicly appears to be. >>> >>> So this week I thought of a couple of questions: >>> >>> - What would cause you and/or your school(s) to stop using Sugar? >>> - What would another project have to offer in order for it to be >>> used instead? >>> - When would it be a good idea to move everyone to a new project? >>> - Under what circumstances should Sugar Labs be shutdown? >>> >>> If we can answer these questions, maybe we can reform Sugar to better >>> meet these competitive challenges. >>> >>> >> I guess I have a different vision of Sugar than you. I am interested in >> our creating a best-of-breed pedagogical framework what hopefully will see >> wide dissemination in schools, but also will show the way forward for the >> ed tech community as a whole, which I think tends to focus on market share >> more than learning outcomes. What I would like from marketing is some >> mechanism for highlighting the powerful ideas in Sugar that seem to be >> lacking in most other systems so that even if a school decides to go with a >> different product/project, they put pressure on that project to provide >> tools, not apps, collaboration, transparency, self reflection and group >> critique, and responsibility on the shoulders of students and teachers to >> shape their own world. So personally, I find your questions irrelevant to >> my goals. >> >> -walter >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Marketing mailing list >>> Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> <http://www.sugarlabs.org> >> > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
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