Hi everyone, One of the most interesting responses I received to my series on the issues related to Zhang Shanguang was the following spirited criticism by Lou Paulsen. While I obviously disagree with Lou I recognize that his criticism represents the thinking, emotions and analysis of many readers on all of these lists. Because of this, and because the issues involved here are, or should be, of interest to many, I am taking the liberty of posting Lou's comments to all lists where I have circulated my series. I hope that readers, and the moderators, will understand my motivations. I will present my reply to Lou tomorrow. Sincerely, Ben Seattle ----//-// 28.Jun.99 -----Original Message----- From: WW Chicago <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 2:06 AM Subject: Zhang Shanguang and Ben Seattle Let's suppose that there was a labor activist in China whom I knew to have been unjustly sentenced to prison. Suppose that I wanted to publicize the case and persuade people to influence the government of the PRC to reverse their decision and free this activist. How would I go about this? How would I organize this defense committee? What would be the first thing I would do? The first thing I would do would be to collect all the information I could about the life and work of this activist. I would find things that he/she had written, and arrange for them to be translated into English. I would find people who knew this activist and get their testimony about what sort of person this activist was and why he or she had been unfairly convicted. And I would disseminate this information. But let's suppose, instead, that I were a bombastic twit with an ego the size of Mount Tai and a crackpot version of Marxism based on freedom of information in cyberspace, with which I proposed to save the world socialist movement from the shithole I believed it to have become, and that I were looking for a convenient sales gimmick. In that case, I might grab the name of Zhang Shanguang, and a couple paragraphs about him, off a website and proceed to use them as the nucleus of a long string of posts larded with invective and braggadocio and filled out with my idiosyncratic arguments and theories - as Ben Seattle has done. The seven-post opus by Seattle is about 2% about Zhang Shanguang and 98% Seattleite logorrhea. Some episodes of the series have NOTHING about Zhang Shanguang in them at all. If I were Zhang Shanguang and were given a copy of Seattle's work product, I would say, "This man doesn't care two dead flies about me. Has he no shame? He doesn't know anything about me. All he wants to do is write whatever is on his mind while using my name as packaging." I came to this affair in reruns, having missed the premiere due to family crises. The only thing I knew about Zhang Shanguang was that apparently Ben Seattle was championing his case. This, for me, was a strike against him right there, since I know Seattle's judgment to be atrocious. Last August he was quick to jump on the bandwagon of the "Orohovac mass graves" hoax. He is also on the opposite side from me on the "June 4 incident". Therefore, if Ben Seattle wants someone out of jail, my first reaction is that he should probably stay in there. But one can't be dogmatic about these things, and so I started scrolling and scrolling through Seattle's posts looking for information about Zhang Shanguang, but mostly finding nothing. For the convenience of the reader, EVERYTHING in the way about information about Zhang Shanguang which is to be found in ALL of Seattle's 7 posts is reprinted below as "Appendix A". Speaking as someone who has worked in defense committees before, I think Seattle's signal-to-noise ratio here is unpardonably low. He has the nerve to invoke Richard Feynman, a brilliant scientist worthy of respect because of his commitment to dealing with the objective world. In his speech about "Cargo Cult Science", Feynman legitimately warns against ignoring data which tend to disconfirm our preconceptions. Even worse, however, is to divorce onself entirely from the need to deal with data at all. Seattle's demand that we sign "Free Zhang Shanguang" statements is underlain by very little data. How do we know that Zhang is anything that we would call a "labor activist"? Just because the "BBC, CNN, and Reuters" say he is one? What has he actually done? In the interest of science, I decided I would devote an hour of my scarce time to finding about a little bit more about Zhang, since Seattle had done such a bad job as his lawyer. I tried the www.labourstart.org site, which is actually a decent source of information, but they had apparently gotten their information on Zhang from something called www.insidechina.com which is related to something called EIN (European Internet News), and where I got a 'File Not Found'. Then I found some other versions of the same AP/Reuters stuff that Seattle had found. Finally I found a section of an Amnesty International report on the case, which is reproduced below in its entirety as "Appendix B." A section of the court's opinion in the case, quoted by AI, reads: “while still deprived of his political rights, on March 1, 1998, the accused carried out a telephone interview from his home with reporter Li XX of 'Radio Free Asia'. During the interview, the accused passed onto the Radio station details of the kidnapping case of Zhang Qingren which public security organs had yet to make public.” The "deprived of his political rights" reference means that he was in effect on a three-year parole from his earlier sentence. The reader will probably ask, 'What the heck is the kidnapping case of Zhang Qingren??' A footnote says that it had to do with tax protests, and I don't know any more than that. I don't know whether Zhang Qingren was an "activist" or a tax collector. Although the standard right-wing picture of China is that whenever they have a "closed-door" trial, it is just because they are evil and repressive, I wonder if the situation in this case might actually be more complex. I do, however, know what Radio Free Asia is, and Zhang Shanguang undoubtedly knows it too. It is a U.S. tool for imperialist subversion of the People's Republic of China, for the overthrow of socialism and the restoration of a bourgeois state. Therefore, he is being disingenuous when he compares it to "any contact between a foreigner and a citizen of China". RFA is not just any foreigner, it is an arm of the U.S. government just as the CIA is. It is an enemy organization, an enemy of the workers of China. Now, Seattle justifies this by saying that the PRC does not allow workers to communicate with each other in China, and so therefore Zhang, a "labor activist", has no other option but to talk to Radio Free Asia and then hope that RFA will help to organize the workers of China by broadcasting the truth so the workers can listen on their shortwave radios. Of course RFA is not going to organize anything other than pure counterrevolution. But in any case that isn't even what Zhang Shanguang says. He says that the local people knew all about the affair. What, then, is the justification for dealing with RFA? I still don't think I know a great deal about Zhang and his life and work, but if Seattle wants us to fight to get him out of jail, let him start doing some more of the groundwork. Suppose I were living in the PRC and believed that the government and the Communist Party and the unions in my region were not adequately dealing with the problems of laid-off workers. Suppose that it were impossible for me to work within the local party and union organizations because they were too much imbued with neoliberal theory and were acting entirely as privileged bureaucrats. I don't know if this is really the case in Shu Pu, but let's imagine it to be so. Suppose I concluded that it was necessary to form a new organization of the unemployed. What would the purpose of this organization be? It would be to fight for an adequate recognition of the rights and needs of the workers, that is, for better socialism, for more communism, for more restrictions on capital, for a rejection of imperialist influence and pressure. It would be necessary to make it completely clear that we had nothing to do with imperialists and enemies of socialism. I certainly would not talk with RFA people. It would be necessary to think very hard before agreeing to support "tax protestors", which might (for all I know) represent some kind of kulak movement. There is capitalist enterprise in China; the world capitalist market affects China; and this means that workers in China face hardship and exploitation. And this means that they have the right to organize in their own interests, and all Communists recognize this. But, whereas in capitalist countries those interests are irreconcilably hostile to the bosses and the state, in China this is not the case and it is a mistake to proceed as if it is. If a government official in the US talks about the need to improve efficiency and maintain production levels, we know it is solely in the interest of bourgeois profit. If a government official in China talks about the need to improve efficiency and increase production, we know that this is not pure bourgeois demagogy, but represents to an important degree the actual interests of the Chinese workers themselves. Therefore, it is necessary to distinguish between, on the one hand, Communist unionists, who want to make the workers stronger, better educated, more united, and more socialist-minded, and, on the other hand, "labor activists" who are really imperialist stooges on the model of Poland's "Solidarity", who want to provoke unrestrained conflict between the workers and the state in order to make counterrevolution. Members of the first group will not be found on the telephone with Radio Free Asia. Lou Paulsen member, Workers World Party, Chicago (Appendix A begins) Today, Sunday December 27, labor activist Zhang Shanguang goes on trial in Huaihua city in Hunan province in China. According to the BBC, CNN and Reuters, Zhang was arrested in August after he tried to create an organization to help laid-off workers ... Zhang, who spent seven years in prison in the wake of the repression following the Tiananmen Square massacre, could be given the death penalty. On Sunday, December 27, in a court in Huaihua city in Hunan province in China, Zhang Shanguang was sentenced to ten years in prison for "providing intelligence to hostile foreign organizations" (ie: giving an interview to "Radio Free Asia" about peasant demonstrations against crushing taxes). Zhang had also been active in organizing unemployed workers. Previously, he had served seven years in prison for his activity during the period leading up to the bloody massacre of workers and students connected to the Tiananmen demonstrations in 1989. I learned of the trial of Zhang Shanguang thru an email sent by Eric Lee, a reformist trade union activist and webmaster of the www.labourstart.org site. Eric issued a call for trade unions and other organizations to issue statements protesting Zhang's persecution and imprisonment BEIJING, Jan. 11, 1999 -- (Reuters) On Dec. 27, a Chinese court sentenced labor activist Zhang Shanguang to 10 years for revealing details of farmers' protests in Hunan province's Xupu county in an interview with the U.S. government-funded Radio Free Asia. The center quoted Zhang as saying that Xupu county alone had experienced more than 100 such protests in the first half of 1998, indicating rural protests nationwide may have numbered many thousands last year amid stagnant incomes and high taxes. BEIJING, Jan. 15, 1999 -- (Agence France Presse) In his appeal against his Dec. 27 conviction, Zhang argued that charges of passing "intelligence" to people overseas were meaningless as the information related to protests which were well known by ordinary people in China. "When China does not have a clear definition of secret information, how can there be a conviction on those grounds," he said in his appea (Appendix B begins) ZHANG SHANGUANG Zhang Shanguang, 45 years, a labour activist was sentenced to ten years imprisonment for 'endangering state security' on 27 December 1998 by the Huaihua Intermediate People's Court in Hunan province. Zhang was accused of revealing secret information on peasant and worker unrest during an interview with Radio Free Asia . Zhang was formally arrested on 28 August 1998 after being detained on 21 July 1998. It was reported that Hou Xuezhu, Zhang Shanguang's wife had not received any formal notification of the trial which allegedly concentrated on an account that Zhang gave to the media of unrest and his expression that the burden on workers was 'too great'. The trial took 2 hours and twenty minutes and took place behind closed doors, during a court lunch break. When his wife arrived at the court, she was refused entry and reportedly told that she could not enter as the trial would involve 'information' that should not be made public. Zhang was the founder of the local 'Shu Pu Association to Protect the Rights and Interests of Laid-off workers' and it is believed that his arrest was partly in connection with his plans to register his organisation. It was also reported that Zhang was beaten up by members of an unknown police or armed force because he had allegedly failed to answer questions about his organisation and his overseas connections. It is feared that Zhang may be suffering from tuberculosis which he contracted whilst he was imprisoned for seven years for activities during the 1989 pro- democracy protests . Zhang had been previously sentenced in September 1989 and was released on January 15 1996 with three years of deprivation of political rights. The verdict of the court states that; “while still deprived of his political rights, on March 1, 1998, the accused carried out a telephone interview from his home with reporter Li XX of 'Radio Free Asia'. During the interview, the accused passed onto the Radio station details of the kidnapping case of Zhang Qingren which public security organs had yet to make public.” See footnote 7 7 “This court maintains that, by exercising free speech during a period of being deprived of political rights, and by illegally supplying details of a case still not made public by the security organs, thus inadvisably making the case known abroad, the defendant Zhang Shanguang deliberately flouted national law. His behaviour violates the regulations of article 111 of the PRC, Criminal Code, concerning illegally supplying intelligence to (organisations) outside China. Moreover, recidivist criminal behaviour should be severely punished... Therefore the following judgement applies: the defendant Zhang Shanguang is sentenced to 10 year's imprisonment for the crime of supplying intelligence to (organisations) outside China and deprivation of political rights for five years; to run concurrently with the completion of the remaining 19 days of deprivation of political rights left over from the previous sentence”. In an appeal against his sentence Zhang argued that he was not guilty of the charges as China and that “My conversation with the foreign journalist was concerning an event that was already known by the local people. Based on the principle of the law being unclear and on the regulations in Article 3 of the Criminal Code, there is absolutely no legal basis for (the information) being defined as “intelligence” See footnote 8 8 . Indeed, if this really is the case, then any contact between a foreigner and a citizen of China can be defined as passing on of intelligence and thus criminal behaviour. The court is clearly mistaken in maintaining I was supplying intelligence to a foreign organisation.” --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---