On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:51:59 -0400 Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> (1) Have you in mind a different intervention against Lukacs from the 
> one 
> everyone knows about?  Deborin intervened against Lukacs and Korsch 
> in 1923 
> or 1924, i.e. long before 1931.

I believe you're right about that.  But nevertheless, after his
defeat in 1931 by Mitin, he still was able to re-emerge
several years later to help spearhead the attacks on
quantum mechanics. This "menshevizing idealist" seems
to have had nine lives.

> 
> (2) I find it odd to see Deborin as a link between Lenin and 
> Ilyenkov.  Admittedly, I'm just going on vague impressions, but I 
> thought 
> that what was Hegelian about Deborin was his philosophy of nature, 
> not the 
> stuff that would interest Ilyenkov.  What am I missing?

I think more research on our part is needed but he
seems to have been the main proponent for emphasizing
the Hegelian roots of Marxism in the Soviet Union
so I would think that there might be  a connection to
Ilyenkov.  Deborin's earlier writings, which had led
to his condemnation as a "menshevizing idealist"
were republished during the "thaw" under Khruschchev.
I would think that must have had some sort of impact
on the younger philosophers at the time, especially
since philosophers were then freer to discuss topics
that had been offlimits under Stalin.  David Nakhurst,
BTW does perceive a connection between Deborin
and Ilyenkov. See Sean Sayer's review of Bakhurst's
book, * Consciousness and Revolution in Soviet Philosophy: 
>From the Bolsheviks toEvald Ilyenkov *
http://www.kent.ac.uk/secl/philosophy/ss/bakhurst.pdf


> 
> At 04:01 PM 10/22/2005 -0400, Jim Farmelant wrote:
> >I think we are hampered because of relevant material
> >remains untranslated from Russian.  Also, people
> >in the Soviet Union were not always candid about
> >revealing who their influences were, especially if that involved
> >people who had fallen into disfavor.  I am sure that
> >Deborin is the link between Lenin's later more
> >Hegelian work and the later Hegelianized
> >Marxism of Ilyenkov.
> >
> >Deborin appears to have been an adroit
> >player of the Soviet academic game.  In the
> >1931 conference at which Mitin prevailed,
> >Deborin made a show of giving support to Mitin's
> >position over his own.  Despite having
> >been condemned as a a "menshevizing
> >idealist," he seems to have managed to
> >regain his academic equibrium several
> >years later, when he re-emerged as one
> >of the lead Soviet point men against
> >Lukacs.  He remained on the presidium
> >of the Soviet Academy of Sciences and
> >he lived to see, under Khruschchev, all of
> >his works republished in the Soviet
> >Union.  When one considers that lots
> >of Soviet philosophers, including some
> >of his own disciples, were killed in
> >the great purges of the 1930s, all of
> >this was no mean accomplishment.
> 
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