CB: With nuclear weapons , all human life is threatened. Nuclear war would mean the common ruin of the contending classes. Averting nuclear war takes priority , in Marxist logic, over even class struggle, to the extent that class struggle is so sharp as to threaten nuclear holocaust. The main front of the class struggle during the existence of the Soviet Union, was the "Cold" War. So, I think Gorbachev had the better Marxist-materialist analysis at the level of universal human values. At this level, Marxism is "one" with "general humanitarian" values.
MP: Told you that all your thinking was that of a petty bourgeois intellectual. The issue is Gorbachev's actions . . . which are historically recorded. You spend far to much time in the theater of the abstract. All of Gorbachev's actions . . . the sum total of his life activity have lead to the actual use of nuclear material as weapons in Iraq. Actions not ideological professions. CB: Averting nuclear war takes priority, in Marxist logic, over even class struggle, to the extent that class struggle is so sharp as to threaten nuclear holocaust.< MP: If you understand how ridiculous and bourgeois you sound - actually like the Uncle Tom Marxism you espouse. As if we can avert nuclear war in this theater of the class struggle. How dear Lawyer can we avert nuclear war in this theater of the class struggle? How? You pose every issue like a philistine. The word issues are not posed as nuclear destruction or class struggle. Give an example of your abstract theory. You express the mentality of a well paid slave, begging master to stop being the master. No sir Mr. Lawyer . . . it is always going to come down to us or them and in every issue the possibility of mutual destruction of the contending classes arise as a possibility. So what? This is a given . . . always understood as the elementary rule of engagement. You fail to understand the real lesson of the tale of Sodom and Gomorah. I do not mean any moral issue as such but an instance of the mutual destruction of contending classes and ruling groups and countries. When the fall out was over even Sumer laid in waste. So the bourgeoisie destroys the world. Such consideration is not even mildly related to question of strategy and tactics for American Communists. Obviously you cannot speak for the Gorbachev and I am not aware of any right you possess to speak of what is or is not Marxist. Based on what credentials? Representing what political organizations? Who elected you to anything in life? CB: Averting nuclear war takes priority , in Marxist logic, over even class struggle, to the extent that class struggle is so sharp as to threaten nuclear holocaust. The main front of the class struggle during the existence of the Soviet Union, was the "Cold" War. MP: Really. Tell that to the Vietnamese or the North Korea of the poverty stricken masses of Africa or the 1/3 portion of humanity in China. Listen to your logic: "The main front of the class struggle during the existence of the Soviet Union, was the "Cold" War." Really. This logic bankrupted the CPUSA . . . as it chased behind what ever ruling clique or group rose and fell in the inner party struggle of the CPSU. This Cold War was not main front of struggle in America between 1950 - 1989. The Cold War conditioned the struggle but was not the main front. The existence of the Soviet Union did not change the main front of the class struggle world wide in the first place. You do not even know how to formulate a simple issue. Do you know what the meaning of a "front" is in military parlance and as political struggle? What you stated is really ridiculous. CB: "The main front of the class struggle during the existence of the Soviet Union, was the "Cold" War." MP: This is no more than the rotten genuflecting of the CPUSA with their Uncle Tom Negroes in the line of Dr. James Jackson. As if you or I can avert the use of nuclear weapons by our imperial bourgeoisie or even determine the main front of struggle, which was not the Cold War . . . at least in America and I suspect in the majority of the world. The only hope we once had was the fact of confrontation from Soviet Power and Gorbachev did everything possible to weaken Soviet military resolve, up to and including the dismantling of Soviet Power and you treat him as a great Marxist. Thank Charles for making your positions very clear. I shall add this one along side your contempt for the poverty stricken masses who have too many social problems - according to you . . . , to constitute the cutting edge of the fight against the bourgeois state.. Here is the legacy of the CPUSA. Let me guess . . . I have once again stood the issue on its head. Fine. At least I am not on my knees begging the imperial masters for jobs for American workers and will to sell out of class to avert nuclear destruction. Would you sell your mother to avert nuclear destruction? I would not and would go to hell gladly knowing that the bourgeois and I would continue the fight there. Melvin P. _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list [email protected] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
