I'm not holding my breath. Bad idea for Zen practice anyway. --- On Tue, 9/22/09, c b <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: c b <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Paul Cockshott on Leonid Kantorovich and the > socialist calculation debate revisited > To: "Forum for the discussion of theoretical issues raised by Karl Marx and > the thinkers he inspired" <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 3:34 PM > On 9/22/09, andie nachgeborenen > No state exists anymore that even > aspires to a nonmarket system, and none is likely to > emerge. > > ^^^^^^^^ > CB: I know most American lefties consider the Chinese CP to > be liars, > but I'm not one of them. They do claim to be aspiring to a > non-market > system. Also, there is , of course, Cuba. And the > Bolivarians > explicitly claim to aspire to socialism. > > On China, as I've said many times, China was not a > capitalist country > at its revolution. By socalled stagist theory, which is > only wrong for > Trostskyists and some others, not classical Marxists like > Marx and > Engels, also people like Ted Winslow of lbo-talk and > Pen-L, > capitalism is a necessary step before socialism. This is > pragmatically > true given that imperialism with super superior weaponry > based on its > industrial might over pre-capitalist societies like China > or even > USSR, will not permit socialist peaceful coexistence and > development. > This is the lesson of the last 90 years. > > In sum, I disagree that Chinese CP's claims to still aspire > to > socialism can be dismissed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Ralph Dumain <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > From: Ralph Dumain <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Paul Cockshott on > Leonid Kantorovich and the socialist calculation debate > revisited > > > To: "Forum for the discussion of theoretical > issues raised by Karl Marx and the thinkers he inspired" > <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > > > Cc: "marxist philosophy" <[email protected]> > > > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 10:39 AM > > > Not that I endorse an exclusive > > > concentration on economic > > > calculation, but Cockschott's overall perspective > can be > > > found here: > > > > > > 21st Century Marxism > > > http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/reports/21stCenturyMarxism.htm > > > > > > At 11:02 AM 9/22/2009, Ralph Dumain wrote: > > > >Some time ago Jim gave us this reference. If > you are > > > interested in > > > >Cockshott's analysis of the socialist > calculation > > > debate, high-tech > > > >socialism & e-democracy more generally, > see his web > > > site: > > > > > > > >http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/reports/ > > > > > > > > > > > >At 09:37 PM 5/24/2009, Jim Farmelant wrote: > > > > > > > > >Paul Cockshott on how the Soviet > economist and > > > mathematician, > > > > >Leonid Kantorovich (who was the only > Soviet > > > economist > > > > >to ever win the Nobel Prize in > economics), > > > > >used his work on linear programming to > > > > >answer the arguments of economists like > Ludwig von > > > Mises > > > > >and Friedrich Hayek who argued that > rational > > > socialist > > > > >economic planning was, even in theory, > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > >"Calculation in-Natura, from Neurath to > > > Kantorovich" > > > > > > > > > >http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/reports/standalonearticle.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > > > >[email protected] > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > > > >http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > > > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > > [email protected] > > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > > > > _______________________________________________ > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > [email protected] > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list [email protected] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
