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Manuel the discussion about nationalization in South has been going on for at 
least the last 50 years, the freedom charter clearly calls for the collective 
ownership of the means of production and forms a clear basis for working class 
concrete demands, but rather how to get these demands met. I agree it is 
important to discuss how the nationalization of industries should work, but I 
am responding in a specifically South African context, in which Malema demands 
are little other then talking points.
What's important here is not 'nationalization' per say, but rather the ANCYL. 
Firstly I might not have been as clear in pointing out, the demand for 
nationalization is not a serious one, rather a talking point. Secondly given 
the nature of the ANC, I am of the view that as Marxists we should abandon the 
party as a vehicle for progressive change in South Africa. The people calling 
for nationalization within the ANC in the case of Malema are not in fact really 
on the left or Marxists in any sense, they might disguise their agenda in 
leftist rhetoric but represent the most reactionary wing of the ANC which mix 
Stalinist organizational principles with a firm commitment to self-enrichment 
and capitalism. I am not arguing that we should not call for nationalization 
and engage in a discussion around it, rather that we should not support the 
ANCYL in its specific call, firstly because it is not serious and secondly that 
it is in fact a reactionary and authoritarian organisation, which forms a 
dangerous faction within the ruling party. My belief is that in order to place 
serious demands for nationalization or any other progressive economic demands 
in fact, a organisation capable of challenging the hegemony of the ANC is 
needed. 
Sectarianism is rather a strange beast in South Africa, within the country the 
real split on the left occurred between the ANC aligned Communist Party which 
was firmly Stalinist in orientation and committed essentially to a class rather 
then race based politics and the black consciousnesses and Pan Africanist 
movements which were committed to race as an integral ideological aspect of the 
party. Both Black Consciousness and Pan Africanist parties are no longer 
significant political forces in post-Apartheid South Africa. The consequences 
have been that only leftist political party with any political support is the 
South African Communist Party, which is still firmly aligned to the ANC and has 
long ceased to be firmly committed to establishing Socialism in South Africa at 
the top levels.  The unions remain embedded within the framework of the ruling 
alliance, although they are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with their 
position, which is good news. Social movements based on struggles for land, 
housing and employment (which is a big issue in South Africa with an unofficial 
unemployment rate of over 40%) are so far the most militant and popular 
organisations on the left outside the ANC.
What's important in South Africa is to support and link social movements to 
help create a new mass movement strong enough to challenge the power of the ANC 
and to attempt to get the unions to break from the ruling Tripartite Alliance. 
I agree that firm demands need to be made and engaging in discussions about 
nationalization are important, both are occurring within popular struggle in 
South Africa. What is missing is not a list of demands, which in the context of 
South Africa can either take the form of the Freedom Charter, which 
specifically calls for the collective ownership of resources and the means of 
production in South Africa and forms the basis of our Constitution, which 
guarantees the right to education, healthcare and housing among other things. 
The discussions which are occurring in South Africa are not so much based on 
what we want, the poor in reality know what they are lacking and what they 
want, we currently have an unemployment rate of over 40%, the highest 
inequality GINI rating in the world and millions living shanty towns. Popular 
struggles have mostly been focused on how to bring the political class under 
control and force them to keep their promises, they are still in principle 
committed to the freedom charter. A shift from this to creating an alternate 
mass movement should be the goal of Marxists in South Africa, capable of 
threatening the hegemony of the ANC. 




                                          
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