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Don't unsub me, Louis. However, while I do understand the impulse to end the
sectarianism of the revolutionary left--this list is one place where it
exists--one has to ask whether continuing to allow or disallow pretend class
analyses of people as interventions into a discussion where there are
significant differences among serious people has a meaningful role. Frankly, I
did not realize that Creegan had been undertaking this intervention for six
months because one only has to read his, and others', posts once or twice to
see whether there are serious and thoughtful posts being written. Michael K.'s
reply to Creegan was indeed a thoughtful reply even as Creegan's post(s) can be
seen as formulaic. I'm sorry for Michael to have spent so much energy just so
Creegan could make himself appear serious by acknowledging Michael's thinking
and then, yet again, descending into the same sectarian nonsense.
Lost in all this handwringing about anti-democratic functioning by Louis for
putting a stop to this descent into sectarianism (or, more aptly, deeper levels
of it than we sometimes see) are the more serious issues how to characterize
both the defeat of the Greek workers and oppressed and the leadership that was
either "forced" or "destined" ( owing to non-proletarian thinking) to preside
over this defeat. "Everyone" wants to engage in this character assassination or
character defense because "everyone" here hasn't EVER had to grapple with what
do next when you've been elected by the masses to end capitalist oppression.
Tsipiras has, Varoufakis has, and, to some extent those in Antarsya and the
other Greek groups have, too. The rest of us are simply talking. Opinionating.
I wonder whether the descent into (more) sectarianism by the likes of Creegan
or others is really all that useful? If it is, then perhaps Louis is wrong to
end the discussion by exclusion. I suppose we'll find out so
on regarding the wisdom of stopping sectarian intervention--as opposed to
actual serious discussion--if there is a mass exodus by people on the list over
democracy.
What might happen to Louis and his approaches to leadership should he join a
workers party or be part of a mass revolutionary movement will really be a
function, like the rest of us, should such an event actually transpire and what
we do then. Arguing such a point is more than meaningless and, to me, seems
more designed to justify sectarian infighting more than serious discussion.
Of more important concern to me is the fact, and the context behind, the
beating and jailing of the FI comrades by "Syriza Riot Police" that Ioannis
recently posted. I may have missed any posts related to that after his (or
her?) report and petition, so, if someone can point me to that discussion, I'd
appreciate it.
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