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"The left-wing case against" something the neo-Francoist state is bashing, gassing and shooting to try to stop. To be honest, it would be more reasonable to present a case for Catalans *freely choosing* to remain part of Spain, which is not what the actual battle is over The battle is over their right to make that choice. The headline, therefore, is actually misleading: it is a case against self-determination. And whatever you think about the Catalan separating, denying self-determination in a situation like this will only strengthen Catalan national and cultural feelings. Worse, far worse, it tries to blame Catalans for the austerity and underdevelopment that people in Andalusia are subjected to. Catalans should suffer under a neo-Francoist state because the same neo-Francoist state treats other worse. It is not a good argument. I don't doubt a good case can be made to fight for a democratic, federal Spanish state with national and cultural rights respected, based on social justice, but this is not that case or even close it. And any such case is for the Catalans to weigh up. In the meantime, the Catalans continue to stare down brutal repression and push ahead with a struggle causing a severe crisis for the Spanish state. stuart On 6 October 2017 at 12:50, Alan Bradley via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > From: Louis Proyect > > Thoughts?> > https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2017/09/22/the-left-wing- > case-against-catalan-independence/ > It's a bit "some guy pontificates about something he knows nothing about". > The sectarian know-it-all reflex at work. > This bit is a scream: "Why should the poor and working people of Spain > allow Catalonia to just walk out the door and abandon them?" > It ain't the poor and working people of Spain who are beating the shit out > of the Catalans. > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/ > stuartmunckton%40gmail.com > -- www.greenleft.org.au * subscribe <https://www.greenleft.org.au/subscribe/details> * donate <https://www.greenleft.org.au/donate/details> _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com