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Concretely, in this November's election between O - C and her Republican opponent with no independent of the Democrats working class candidate or party in existence, do we maintain a Never Vote Democrat position?? I seem to recall Louis a few weeks ago stating that he was going to make an exception to his lifelong stance and either vote for or donate (I forget) to a local Democrat's campaign - (he didn't name the candidate). As long as we carefully explain that there are rare exceptions to the rule, I don't think that it's unprincipled to vote for an O - C WHEN THERE IS NO LEFT ALTERNATIVE. Of course, opportunists will find many "exceptions" but who said that revolutionary politics is simple? On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> Yeah, Marx made some points about the "spoiler" problem: > > Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers > must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge > their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party > standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty > phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates > will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance > of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the > proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party > will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more > important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few > reactionaries in the representative body. > > https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist- > league/1850-ad1.htm > > > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com