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cast my first vote in 1964 --- yes, I apologize for not mentioning 1964, I thought Goldwater was a potential war monger (but I dont' think I thought he was a fascist -- just in bed with the Southern racists). Let me be clear -- DEMOCRATS may have played the "fear of ultra-right policies" every election since 1948 (but mostly they ran against Herbert Hoover till about 1972) --- but I am talking about leftists ---Old age addles the memory (this memory) but I am convinced that aside from 2004 and 2016, the "fear of fascism" argument was NOT prevalent on the left --- (buy maybe I am engaging in selective memory -- it happens!) 1972 -- McGovern was going to end the War in Vietnam - leftists supported him for that positive reason 1976 -- leftists didn't give a shit -- 1980 --- were leftists yelling that Reagan was a fascist? 1984 -- Maybe -- based on some right-wing policies of the first Reagan administration 1988 -- don't remember leftists saying Bush was a fascist 1992 -- ditto 1996 --- leftists couldn't stand Clinton 2000 -- already mentioned that one 2004 --- the "ayatollahs" of the religious right with their "God, Gays and Guns" campaigns didn start to scare lots of people 2008 -- optimistic "takes" on Obama 2012 -- ditto 2016 -- Trump and incipient fascist On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:04 PM, Mark Lause <markala...@gmail.com> wrote: > Nothing done by Bush was done without active Democratic collusion. > > Don't rely on your member to go back past 2004. Talk to someone who was > around at the time or read a book. The threat on the Right argument has > been absolutely central to the Democratic strategy for decades. God knows, > it's not as though they even bother to promise us much any more in terms of > new policies. > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Michael Meeropol <mamee...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> MAYBE in 2004 --- I don't remember worries about incipient fascism before >> that --- (maybe 1984??) >> >> in 2000 virtually the entire left argued that a vote for Gore was >> worthless ...most of us didn't think Bush would be as bad as he turned out >> to be ... >> >> It is possible that Bush's policies in office spooked a lot of lefties >> into wanting to get into bed with liberals --- I confess I'm guilty --- >> hence the fears expressed in 2004 and the (now ridiculous) enthusiasm for >> Obama in 2008 .... >> >> But anyone with eyes and ears in 2016 should have seen fascism coming in >> the person of Trump and his coalition ... >> >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Mark Lause <markala...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> We've heard this "true danger of fascism" argument every election in my >>> lifetime. >>> >>> Aside from his record-level miserable character, Trump's been able to be >>> as awful as he has been precisely because the Democrats have been >>> >> > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
