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Just a couple points. The assumption that inept, incompetent, dishonest, and pointless electoral activism must necessarily be something other than working class is mistaken. Maybe we should even expect that working class electoral politics has to be so if there's no mechanism for collectively evaluating experience. We have to work with what we've got. More importantly, the discussion always seems to veer from the most fundamental concern we have: to foster self-organized, independent political action. Talk about parties, candidates, labels, and abstract "positions matter only insofar as they advance (or retard) the development of the only force that can address these issues. That's keeping our eyes on the prize not dogmatism, blueprints, etc. That might mean something different for those who have a vehicle that can seriously make a real bid for power and something else when we don't have a vehicle in electoral politics to get anywhere near power. But the idea that we can address we address the weakness of that power by voting against it doesn't make sense. My objection isn't to voting for Sanders in a primary, though I wouldn't put much time, energy or effort into what's surely a doomed attempt. My objection is that, in the end, most of the people making that argument always wind up supporting Biden, Clinton, etc. But here's an idea. Everyone in any and all socialist groups agree to shut down the treehouse in terms of electoral politics. Get together and agree on a few points as the basis of a class platform. Pick candidates. Doesn't matter what club they're in, so long as they agree to campaign on those points. Vote, pull the names out of a hat, do it in alphabetical order, but put together a united labor ticket and stick to it until November. Cheers, Mark L.. _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
