Nestor: I agree with all that Lueko has answered you
Re: what is all that that he ‘has answered’?, he asked me a question, if I have
anything to add to the little detail that the Chinese bureaucracy personifies
the interests of capital, I assume he then acknowledges that that’s in fact the
role of the CCP, am I right Lueko?,
Nestor: Leonardo you ignorant
Re: Nestor shows the level of his dialectical materialism once more and
addresses me personally –“puteando”: throwing insult- before replying to my
claim made two posts ago: that his comments so far implicitly take the
consciousness of commodity producers as determined outside the sphere of
capital accumulation, that is, as abstract consciousness,… do any of the
Nestor’s posts mention value, relative surplus-value, methods of production in
China?, do any of Nestor’s posts talk about how workers are separated from the
conditions of production, capital is accumulated, in China? Not so far. Hence,
unless we understand capital in the same terms of bourgeois political economy,
the determinations of consciousness have not been addressed by Nestor -lest you
think Marx wrote Capital because he was masturbating-, instead he proceeds to
falsely S.Artesian's claim, which is the one my intervention started with: him
saying the CCP ‘uses’ capitalism to build socialism, this was Nestor a few
posts ago:
'It is one thing
to _use_ capitalism, and a different one to _bow_ to capitalism. The
whole thing when it comes to the China debate is whether the Chinese
leadership _uses_ capitalism or _bows_ to it, which implies bowing to
imperialism. China is not doing the latter. Doing the former, of
course, entails the most serious risks. '
Nestor: I would add a single question:
Re: As for the <<three>> questions below…
Nestor: (a) what were the interests and desires
of Arg workers that Peron, as you bluntly and automatically parrot,
betrayed?
Re: Well Nestor, this might just be me masturbating here, but as I take it from
the Communist Manifesto, the interests of Argentinean workers run parallel to
the interests of workers around the world: the overthrow of capital. Now I
suppose you mean specific issues, how Peron exterminated Montoneros, how he was
a closet fascist, how he sold out YPF, how he opened the gates to the
dictatorship which came after his terms? But may I kindly request you answer my
question first, because I think the objective issues (capitalism, for only then
can we begin to clear up how these interests have been betrayed) are a tad more
important than ideological polemic, again, you wouldn’t want anyone to think
that you’re just hiding behind your dialectical mantle in order to ensconce
your evasion.
Nestor: And (b) who are you, what is the stool you stand up on to define what
were, are or will ever be the interests of Arg workers?
Re: See above
Nestor: That is, who do you think you are, Leonardo?
Re: That’s a nice question to masturbate over, let me do that and get back
atcha.
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