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Not new. We heard the same thing in the 1990s, with even higher level defections than now (Jerry Brown and Ralph Nader). I think we need to look for actions within the Dem Party base, signaling people are voting with their feet - such as in local Democrat Party Clubs (which exist in the San Francisco Bay Area at least) or organized defections from local Dem oriented organizations. Have we seen much of that yet? SR ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Russo Obama's treachery will lead to new discussions about the need for a 3rd party to the left of the DP. My guess is that many of the people involved in the discussions will be disillusioned Democrats. The revolt in liberal ranks by Jane Hamsher, Garry Wills and Michael Moore is an expression of important trends that can lead somewhere down the road. Despite the fact that such people do not recite chapter and verse of the Grundrisse is no reason to turn up our noses at them. - ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com