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Dan, We have a vast area of agreement on this. I appreciate much in the anarchist tradition and, like many, called myself an anarchist before I decided that practice mattered more than rhetoric and good intentions. I am still happy to work with self-described anarchists around environmental concerns, for example, and see little need to worry about socialists who, say, pretend that the glaciers aren't melting. The differences are mostly a question of how far these things can be precisely nailed down and how far we really should try, given, as you say, these things never exist in a vacuum. We can use anarchism as a label meaning "the polar opposite of 'authoritarianism,'" but the concrete, material nature of authoritarianism varies which leaves us with an anarchism that varies across time and space. A variant of this problem plagues the effort to define it in the context you offer ("within the socialist and labour movement"). You offer four points.... a) anti-capitalism > b) a society organized "from the bottom up" and truly democratic > c) an opposition to parliamentarian and representative democracy, > preferring "emancipation of the workers by the workers themselves". This > being said, many self-described Anarchists have, at different times, > called for tactical voting in cases where the immediate choice is > between dictatorship and bourgeois democracy. . . . . > d) an opposition to "Sate Socialism" (often referred to as > "Authoritarian Socialism"), broadly defined as a system in which those > who control the State in the name of the workers actually exploit and > oppress the working class. > On the surface, the first three overlap with what most people in here would see as "Marxism," and the fourth would for many, if defined properly. But a few observations are in order, particularly in light of the US and Canadian experience... We need to define "anti-capitalism," because there is a tradition in the anarchist movement of defending individual property rights to the point where it smudges into a libertarian hostility to government regulation and what amounts to the idolatry of the free market...which isn't a state planned economy. (Maybe this is more a problem among US and Canadian anarchists, but I doubt it.) So, also, the idea of "State Socialism" turns entirely on what we mean by a "state," because some of the anarchist models for self-government look indistinguishable from some of the socialist models. Perhaps more fundamentally, though, an overemphasis on this becomes a bit like the socialist overemphasis on what is said--on rhetoric about the future--rather than a practice in the present that points towards something concrete about the future.... The question of present practice brings us face-to-fact with the issue of parliamentary or representative democracy. Certainly, the seemingly definitive anarchist break from the socialists turned on the electoral strategies of the social democracy. Not surprising, I guess, you have socialists and radicals of various stripes in the US engaged concretely in independent politics pointing towards self-emancipation, as self-described abolitionists take a critical rhetorical stance as authoritarian. Yet, anarchist practice includes "tactical voting" for bourgeois parties election after election (your example of Chomsky) that control the bourgeois State anjd use its power ruthlessly against working people at home and abroad. It seems to me that their material practice puts such anarchists into the same bed as the CPUSA, even as they rhetorically denounce those socialists who urge the masses to take independent action for the crimes of "State Socialism"? Anarchism would make a a great deal more sense in the American practice today if it clearly repudiated the authoritarian parties of war, coercion, etc. Admittedly, anarchists seem to have no mechanism for addressing or making a decision on such things. Solidarity! ML ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com