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"S. Artesian" wrote: > > > I don't think Marxists should ever, ever buy into the argument about > violence being the result of demonstrations "provoking" the police. The > violence of capitalism is the one and only provocateur here. I don't think any anti-capitalist, Marxist or not, should ever buy into that argument. And the argument that this or that tactci by this or that group "discredits" us is cretinish. As I said, such actions (inlcuding really stupid or outrageous ones) are part of the terrain or climate of struggle. Rather than endless complaint we simply havee to work on constructing a left that can flourish regardless of what 'frignes' it has. But you are absolutely right: The cops are the same, provoked or unprovoked. Carrol ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com