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Well, Jeff, do you really think there's any chance of bringing about some dialogue between Islamic groups - in particular between those rather extreme Islamic groups that can attract the more disaffected of young Muslims in the West (including quite a number of women) - and other sectors of the left if you go barging in with that opinion? I'd be very surprised indeed. And no, in case you're about to say it, I'm not saying that this is true of all Islamic groups, nor that Islam is inherently a more sexist religion than Christianity, Judaism, or whatever. But to deny the existence of sexism, sometimes quite hard-line, amongst some Muslims would be disingenuous in the extreme. It's not something to be accepted, but attacking it like a bull in a china shop and foreclosing the possibility of some sort of constructive dialogue, plays perfectly into the hands of conservative and liberal Islamophobes and imperialists. By the way, I think the title of this thread is pretty disingenuous as well. Soldarity, Ian ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com