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For goodness' sake. What's so bloody hard about this? Capitalist employers are oppressing the people, and probably have more deaths to their name (malnutrition, famine, etc) than the armies of the world put together. Yet I haven't seen people saying how fighting for equal access to jobs (capitalist jobs under capitalist employers) for women, gays, people of race X, or religion Y, is a bad thing. The army is yet another employer. People join the army for largely the same reasons why they join another employer. They need to alienate their labour in order to obtain the means of subsistence. It's hierarchical, what a shock. I guess capitalist concerns are examples of egalitarianism. No-one got fired for arguing with the boss outside the military, ever. A bit of perspective. --David. ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com