Comrades,
As long as we can be guranteed our freedom to pursue our line of argument
without interference, it does not matter where we are hosted.
I still have misgivings about being hosted on the server of an organisation
which still retains remenants of its Trotskyism and anti-Stalinism. As to
whether the WWP will honour that pledge and for how long is left to be seen.
If we decide to move to the WWP servers, we must be prepared if it decides
to boot us off someday.
Fraternally
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: bon moun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: MLL: List matters
> I am not weighing in on the pros or cons of hosting the list, but I will
> still reiterate that WWP does not have the character of many trot
> organizations I have had the misfortune to be around. I agree that there
> are vestiges and bits of trot ideology in the mix, but it is a very
> flux-ish mix right now. Their defense of Yugoslavia, Cuba, DPRK, China,
> and Vietnam has been very consistent and principled. Marcy had dropped
the
> defense of Trotsky as well as the attacks on Stalin, even though he clung
> to many of the precepts of LT. But there are people, one of whom is a
> close associate and friend, who are seriously studying the implications of
> things like Martens' work, and there is an active, albeit subdued,
struggle
> now in progress for the direction of the party. They have been encouraged
> to attack other formations--in true trot fashion--by other trots, and they
> have consistently refused to do so. I think it's too early to tell, but I
> wouldn't write them off yet.
>
> In struggle,
>
> Stan
>
> At 08:32 PM 6/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Dear brothers and sisters,
> >
> >I happen to know the old timer who wears buttons with Marx Lenin and
Stalin,
> >and he is not a member of WWP although he goes to many of their
functions. I
> >think there is a lot of Trotskyite ideology in that party, although it is
> >not expressed openly, but comes out in statements, such as one by one of
the
> >leaders of WWP at a discussion on the Soviet Union about a year or two
ago,
> >in which he stated that after Lenin's death the party became heavily
> >bureaucratized, or words to that effect. The fact that they don't openly
> >endorse Trotsky any more is that they downplay all questions of idelogy.
> >
> >Anyway, can someone, particularly Sven, give a brief non-technical
> >explanation of what moving the list means, and what are the advantages
and
> >disadvantages of it?
> >
> >Fraternally,
> >George
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: bon moun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 5:15 PM
> >Subject: Re: MLL: List matters
> >
> >
> >> I would be unwilling to characterize WWP as trotskyiste at this point.
> >> They have steadily moved from their original criticism of the SWP--from
> >> whence they split for SWP's kneejerk anti-stalinism--to a decidely less
> >> sectarian stance. I recently attended a meeting of theirs where one
old
> >> fella was wearing a button that said, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin. It
was
> >> a member of WWp who first put me onto Ludo Martens' Another View of
> >Stalin.
> >> I think the WWP is in a state of transition after Marcy's death, and
it
> >is
> >> in a process of redefining its ideological bearings. One thing I will
> >give
> >> them is they are unequivocal in their defense of ANY country against US
> >> imperialism, and they are equally unequivocal in their willingness to
deal
> >> with gender issues head-on.
> >>
> >> I'm taking a wait and see attitude with the WWP, but I will definitely
say
> >> that they are NOT what I would call trots any more.
> >>
> >> Stan
> >>
> >> At 04:18 PM 6/11/00 EDT, you wrote:
> >> >In a message dated 6/11/00 1:21:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> >
> >> ><< Shall we move the lists to the
> >> > > WWP? >>
> >> >Although WWP is (at the moment) open to "unity of the Left" position.
I
> >> >think moving the lists to a Trotskyite organization would be a
mistake.
> >> Part
> >> >of working in any alliance is keeping an eye open to when the alliance
> >> >dissolves.
> >> >ALFONSO
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
> >> >
> >> "If insurrection is an art, its main content is to know how to give the
> >> struggle the form appropriate to the political situation."
> >>
> >> -Vo Nguyen Giap
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Rather than seeking comparabilities in statistical terms among what
are
> >> all too often superficial features of different situations,
> >comparabilities
> >> must be sought at the level of determinate mechanisms, at the level of
> >> processes that are generally hidden from easy view."
> >>
> >> -Eleanor Burke Leacock
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Every day one has to struggle that this love to a living humanity
> >> transform itself into concrete acts, in acts that serve as examples, as
> >> motivation."
> >>
> >> -Ernesto "Che" Guevara
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
> >
> "If insurrection is an art, its main content is to know how to give the
> struggle the form appropriate to the political situation."
>
> -Vo Nguyen Giap
>
>
>
> "Rather than seeking comparabilities in statistical terms among what are
> all too often superficial features of different situations,
comparabilities
> must be sought at the level of determinate mechanisms, at the level of
> processes that are generally hidden from easy view."
>
> -Eleanor Burke Leacock
>
>
>
> "Every day one has to struggle that this love to a living humanity
> transform itself into concrete acts, in acts that serve as examples, as
> motivation."
>
> -Ernesto "Che" Guevara
>
>
>
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>
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