--- Javad Eskandarpour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Comrade Brian,
>
> In relation to your comments, I would like to make
> the following remarks
> concerning those issues with a possible "ambiguous"
> language on my part.
> (1)In my previous commentary on Zionism, I have not
> considered "a broader
> Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world".
Sorry, I can't read your mind but have to go by what
you write. Also, I credited you with the benefit of
the doubt by saying I assume you meant #1 not #2.
> So, if this is the case, then I do not see any
> "ambiguous" language
> regarding the text of my comments unless one
> unconsciously projects the
> "Jewish conspiracy" of the neo-Nazis on my comments.
I was asking you to clarify your meaning, and did not
accuse you of anything.
> Also, the "Jewish
> conspiracy" theory is a non-class idea which is
> propagated by racist
> capitalists of other religious affiliation, like
> racist "Christian"
> capitalists.
Well, yes.
So, Marxist-Leninists do not succump to
> that quagmire of
> theoretical confusion to entertain themselves with
> this "Jewish conspiracy"
> theory. The rejection of the "Jewish conspiracy"
> theory does not mean that
> Marxist-Leninists do not see the international
> Zionism
There's that troublesome word again.
as another strong
> tentacle of the parasitic Imperialism to maintain
> the rule of Capital.
> (2)Another point that you see as a problem in my
> previous comments on
> Zionism is "the international Zionism". As I
> mentioned before, I do not
> entertain the "Jewish conspiracy" theory. So, if
> this is the case, then by
> "the international Zionism" I refer to the ruling
> fascist state of Israel
> and its "pagan" international supporters, the World
> Zionist Oranisation with
> its front oranizations which make the existence of
> the fascist state of
> Israel possible through their political lobbying in
> different countries to
> secure a tremendous finacial "loans", mostly as
> "gifts", and through their
> efforts to make a large financial contribution of
> "Diaspora" possible,
> mostly Zionist billionaires and millionaires. Of
> course, this
> characterization is a tip of the iceberg of "the
> international Zionism" but
> sufficient at this moment of our discussion.
So we're talking about a "zionist"-capitalist
conspiracy. Sounds like this has the potential to be
"old wine in new bottles" to me. Better be careful.
> (3)Regarding Milan's comment on "Zionist Mafia
> connected with Yeltsin", I do
> not know what he means exactly by "their intention
> was to destroy completely Russia." But my
> understanding of his comment is
> that the "Zionist Mafia" was to destroy the Russian
> Fderation completely in
> regard to its remaining socialist structure because
> I assume that Milan
> would comment on this matter as a communist. In this
> connection, I would
> like to mention that there was a sufficient deadly
> presence of the
> international Zionism, as a strong tentacle of the
> world Imperialism,in the
> Soviet Union and the CPSU in the persons of
> Alexander Yakovlevs and other
> known and unknown "tycoons" who own major resources
> of production in the
> Russian Federation today.
As I've asked Milan, why do you apply the loaded term
"international zionism" to a bunch of Jewish
capitalists who took an interest - as all capitalists
do - in bringing down socialism? What is zionist about
it?
Of course, it goes without
> saying that in the
> collapse of the USSR and the rule of Capital around
> the world, the world
> imperilaism acted and acts as a whole parasitic
> organism with its different
> cooperating and vicious competing tentacles at the
> same time, which includes
> the international Zionism as one of its strong
> tentacle among other more or
> less ones. Thus, the exposition and struggle against
> the international
> Zionism is not to "forget" (as some "communists" and
> "open-minded" liberals
> use this cheap but deceiving propogada that if one
> begins analysing the role
> of the international Zionism first, then one
> "forgets" the role of other
> elements in the collapse of the USSR at the expense
> of the international
> Zionism; thus, one must be an anti-Semite!) the
> other more or less strong
> tentacles of the vicious parasitic world Imperialism
> but to discuss any
> subject and issue specifically and historically.
> Javad
I am not accusing you of antisemitism. If you think
that I am resorting to such a cheap trick then you
have misunderstood the tone of my questioning and/or
are resorting to your own cheap tricks to avoid
substantiating your claims. I've asked you to clarify
what you mean by international zionism and you have
not done so sufficiently. I see a pattern of confusion
of Israeli zionism and its supporters with Jewish
capitalists intent on destroying former socialist
countries like Russia. Is Jewish capitalism inherently
"zionist?" Does the apparent fact that some Jewish
capitalists contribute financially to the state of
Israel make them agents of a zionist conspiracy? Is
this the kind of terminology Marxist-Leninists should
use?
Brian
> ------Original Message------
> From: James Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: April 14, 2001 5:17:54 AM GMT
> Subject: [MLL]Zionism is Fascism!
>
>
> Javad,
>
> I agree that Isreali zionism is a form of fascism,
> but
> I'm a little troubled by your references to
> "international zionism." By that do you mean the
> international community of supporters of Israeli
> zionism, or a broader Jewish conspiracy to dominate
> the world kind of zionism as is promoted by
> neo-fascists? I assume you mean the former, but your
> language is ambiguous.
>
> As I see it, there are two major concepts of
> zionism,
> or alleged zionism. 1) the type we are seeing in
> Isreal, based on the heretical sect of Judaism which
> decided to claim a father land in defiance of
> Talmudic
> laws forbidding it - the form of zionism that has
> been
> politicised and sanctified in the Western World as a
> progressive human rights cause since WWII and the
> Holocaust. 2) The fascist and neo-fascist paranoiac
> conspiracy fantasy that there is, and has been for
> centuries, an international Jewish conspiracy to
> take
> over the world through politics and finance - an
> underground cabal working in tandem with the UN,
> Washington and the Kremlin to bring about the New
> World Order, or some such variation of nonsense.
>
> The problem that you complain about, and I agree
> with
> you, is that if you criticise #1, you get accused of
> being sympathetic to #2. This is partly so because
> the
> fascist types deliberately mix 1 and 2 together in
> order to make 2 appear more real. Therefore I think
> it
> is important for anti-fascists to keep in mind a
> clear
> distinction between the two, in order to prevent
> this
> confusion from ocurring.
>
> That said, there is something in Milan's statement
> you
> didn't pick up on but which I find problematic.
> Quote:
>
> "Just a week a go, President of our Party (Vladimir
> Dapcevic, 84) told us on CC a lot of things about
> Zionist Mafia connected with Yeltsin. Their
> intention
> was to destroy completely Russia."
>
> What we are being told here is that the disastrous
> situation in Russia today was intentionally brought
> about by a Jewish conspiracy linked to Yeltsin. This
> puts us clearly in the category of #2 above - the
> conspiracy of the international Jew to destroy
> nation
> states through secret political alliances, and take
> them over financially. I don't need to remind you
> that
> in the 1920s the national reactionaries in Germany
> placed much of the blame for the troubles of Weimar
> on
> a similar Jewish conspiracy. And I hear antisemitism
> has been on the rise in Russia since the Soviet
> break
> up. So what are we to make of this claim about
> zionists destroying Russia?
>
> Again, can you clarify what you mean by
> "international
> zionism?"
>
> Brian James
>
> ----------
> Original message:
>
> Javad Eskandarpour:
> First point: Marxist-Leninists are not against any
> Jewish person who is not
> a member or sympathizer of the fascist international
> Zionism, but are
> against Zionists whether or not they are Jewish.
>
> Second point: Marxist-Leninists do not take side
> with
> the Zionist front
>
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