This Amnesty International reports that it considers the referenda illegal but that is not the same a illegitimate. The first charge is a matter of political opinion while the second is not.
Amnesty International took decades to decide that Palestine deserved to be defended as well. It is not a credible org now. From: marxmail@groups.io <marxmail@groups.io> On Behalf Of Avram Rips via groups.io Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 12:39 PM To: marxmail@groups.io Subject: Re: [marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war Yes they were. Already established illegitimate. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/russia-ukraine-illegitimate-results-of-sham-referenda-must-not-enable-illegal-annexation-of-occupied-areas/ On Monday, June 24, 2024, abraham Weizfeld PhD via groups.io <http://groups.io> <eibieman=gmail....@groups.io <mailto:gmail....@groups.io> > wrote: The referenda have already taken place and there is no credible reason to consider them illegitimate. From: marxmail@groups.io <mailto:marxmail@groups.io> <marxmail@groups.io <mailto:marxmail@groups.io> > On Behalf Of Charlie via groups.io <http://groups.io> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 6:09 PM To: marxmail@groups.io <mailto:marxmail@groups.io> Subject: Re: [marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war Marv: "You have made you position clear many times before, Michael." And so have you, Marv. Empty snark is like a rubber ball: it bounces back. Marv's straw man is "a free and fair vote" in districts occupied by Russian forces. Again, he ignores Michael's simple question, how do you do that with Russian forces there? Does a voter who has not hidden his preference for staying in Ukraine want to be observed going to the polls? Does a voter who doesn't really care one way or the other want to be asked if he would be willing to show his voter's receipt? And what is the practical point for agitation in Canada and the U.S. and so on? Does Marv make the theme of a leaflet his call for a free and fair vote? It seems that we who do "doctrinaire" agitation about imperialism are actually more practical in a small way than that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#30888): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/30888 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/106818185/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
