On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 02:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > We've already shown that Marv defended the decision to provide > "support"--whether critical or not--of the decision to support the > election of Syriza in Greece... If supporting Syriza does not amount to > supporting class collaboration and maintaining ruling institutions, then > a)there must be 2 Syriza's, one that explicitly vowed to maintain the > authority of the EU the ECB, the parliament,the Greek military and then > another one which Marv and others found worthy of support in winning the > general election. https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32759
It may be useful to examine what considerations would have led me to vote for Syriza in 2015 consistent with this thread. It will allow others to decide it whether it would have constituted "class collaboration". Artesian has not commented on my party preferences in France or Germany, but his fixation on Greece also points to the ongoing differences I have had with he and Charlie on the list. *Greece* Artesian derides the notion, but there were in fact two Syriza's in the party. I would have voted for its election in 2015 in the same way as I would vote today for La France Insoumise or the Wagenknecht party in Germany or for Labour if there were still an organized Corbyn left within it. Syriza was the major beneficiary of workers abandoning the PASOK, the ruling social democratic party which had accepted the austerity program imposed on Greece by the troika. It was also the largest party on the left confronting the parallel rise of the Golden Dawn, representing a fascist threat to the Greek working class beyond that posed by either PASOK or the other governing party, the right-centre New Democracy. When divisions soon appeared in Syriza following its election, I supported its organized left wing which advocated for a debt default and, if necessary, an exit from the eurozone and opposed the Tsipras leadership which sought an accomodation with the troika at all costs. Artesian would have abstained from the Greek political struggle because he has never found a party anywhere which he likes. Charlie would have supported the sectarian KKE, which opposed a united front with other forces on the left as well as the mass occupations of public spaces and popular assemblies by the “movement of the squares” in 2011 which directly contributed to Syriza’s rise. I've always thought we should first (but not exclusively) seek out and cooperate with left social democrats - whether concentrated inside or outside of the left-centre parties - since they are politically closest to us and therefore more open to our analyses and recruitment to our caucuses and organizations. This consideration is foreign to those who shy away from political involvement in the unions and labour-backed parties. In fact, it's often seemed to me that most of the political venom of active and passive sectarians is directed at left social democrats and at Marxists who try to reach them in their organizations with the aim of influencing and leading them forward. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32789): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32789 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108895176/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
