On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 09:24 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would never have abstained from the "Greek struggle," and did not > abstain, having been in contact with an "ultra-left" council communist > group in Greece during those events.
But surely that is the definition of a sectarian, is it not, Artesian? Someone who stays in their isolated little bubble exchanging emails with a handful of co-thinkers - in your case, perhaps a dozen of so other anti-Leninist council communists - rather than breaking out of it to join with the great mass of socially and politically heterogenous workers and students in their class and other social conflicts. That's why many of us on the list representing every Marxist tendency went into unions, parties, and and social movements composed overwhelmingly of liberals and social democrats - in order both to participate in their various struggles for democratic rights and improved living conditions and in the process to help them dispel their illusions about capitalism and how to best fight against it. This is the fundamental basis of my differences with you and Charlie, less so your manner of intervening in these debates which some find overly aggressive. Your presence on the list, including your manner of intervention, is actually positive in that it serves as a useful foil and good example of how NOT ** to influence others outside of our own narrow and politically homogenous circles. On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 11:16 PM, ioannis aposperites wrote: > > The largest party on the left confronting Golden Dawn was neither SYRIZA > nor KKE (PC). It was the Antarsya coalition, which, along with other > extraparliamentary left organizations and anarchists, stood against the > fascists in the streets. Antarysa did engage in street confrontations with Golden Dawn and did other useful work mobilizing students and young professionals, but Ioannis exaggerates its importance. During the debt crisis, its influence was marginal. According to a a leader of OKDE-Spartakos, the Greek Trotskyist organization of around 100 members which Ioannis supported, Antarsya only had some 3000 members and never gained than more 2% in regional elections and 1.2% in national elections. Ioannis’ group was at odds with the majority of what used to be called the United Secretariat of the Fourth International to which most of us with a Trotskyist background were once officially or unofficially affiliated. I had long since left the movement, but followed and shared the USec’s support of Syriza’s election in 2015 and its subsequent alignment with the Left Platform (later Popular Unity) against Tsipras and his governing faction. It’s just a matter of historical interest now, but I would again strongly recommend that anyone still interested in this debate should consult Richard Fidler’s account of the differences with OKDE-Spartakos and Antarsya in his extensive International Viewpoint article which drew on numerous documents issued by the FI. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32805): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32805 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108895176/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
