That’s very true.  The challenge is to create the critical mass needed to overcome the power of the bourgeoisie.  Without a strong mass of people and politicians representing socialist values, the power of a working-class movement will always flounder.  Influencing the “friendliest party” by infiltrating them with socialist candidates would increasingly tilt the balance of power toward labor.  If enough of them create a critical mass that has the potential to win (e.g. candidates that poll around 35-40%), then they could branch out into their own party.  However, that would require a monumental undertaking and millions if not billions in cash.  Meanwhile, the Greens will continue to threaten the friendliest bourgeois party by running hopeless candidates, and Trumpist ghost candidates will continue to infiltrate and fool Democrats.

On Oct 16, 2024, at 17:50, Marv Gandall <[email protected]> wrote:


On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 10:57 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Now if the prospect for that socialism and agency no longer exist, then there's really no point to pretending Marxism has any relevance.
But, as has been said many times before (1) historical materialism is the most relevant method of analysis, even though Marxism as prophecy has fallen well short, and (2) While there is no discernible prospect for socialism at present,  history is not static and change can be quite abrupt and largely unanticipated, as demonstrated for example by the collapse of the Soviet Union and the retreat from socialism and class struggle everywhere in our lifetime.  
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