On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 11:30 AM, duen filan wrote:

> 
> , "The correct revolutionary Marxist position should have been as follows:
> to support fully all mass struggles and uprisings, whether armed or
> unarmed, against Nazi imperialism in occupied Europe, in order to fight to
> turn them into a victorious socialist revolution...

A Marxist "position...to support...mass struggles...in order to turn them into 
a victorious socialist revolution..." does not exist separate and apart from a 
Marxist social program that thoroughly rejects the bourgeoisie's program for 
prosecuting both war and peace; that opposes the officers' regime in the 
bourgeoisie's military; the doesn't combat the aligning of class interest 
solely within national borders.

So far all I've read from the "self-determinationists" begins an ends with the 
"right to self-determination."  Now the bourgeoisie have packed that "right" 
with a program to advance their class interests, but IMO the 
self-determinationists have yet to propose anything that reject the 
bourgeoisie's program, that opposes the regime of officers, that says "no 
support to the Zelensky govt."  The Zelensky govt is first and foremost a 
government of the ruling class.  To offer it support absent a transformative 
program means to ignore the class interests being represented or to accept 
those interests as legitimate interests shared by the working class.

You don't get to claim that a Marxist position is "support in order to 
transform"  without including a program for such transformation.


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