On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 19:27:20 -0800 "Tom Walker via groups.io" <[email protected]> sent this:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 05:29 PM, Ian Angus wrote: > > > > > Talk by Peter Bo y le > > > > > *Revolutionary degrowth* > > Some leftists criticise Hickel saying he does not tell us how to overthrow > > capitalism. But who really has the complete recipe to do that? No one. > > ... > > Arguing against economism, Lenin wrote in What Is To Be Done ? that > > revolutionaries have a duty to go beyond immediate struggles between > > workers and bosses to explain the broader problems with capitalism and > > draw the working class into struggles against all oppressions. > > > > > > The "complete recipe" is a tall order. But that does not mean that we have to > ignore *ingredients* that have been put forward and discussed, from Marx to > Meszaros to Gorz. I have written about how Marx's ingredients hearken to the > 1821 pamphlet, The Source and Remedy of the National Difficulties, itself > deeply influence by William Godwin's writing from the late 18th century. > Capital's imperative is a relentlessly quantitative one, with *value* at the > heart of accumulation. Value expresses labour time with the contradictory > demand that increasing more labour time must be expended while increasing > less is expended on each individual commodity. Marx's secret ingredient for > revolutionary degrowth, echoed by Meszaros, Gorz, and I, is the transition > from quantitative accounting based on the expenditure of labour time to > qualitative accounting based on the social distributon of *disposable time*. > Lenin, of course, could not have written about this. The manuscripts in which > Marx discussed it were not transcribed until the 1930s and not widely > published until the 1950s to 1970s. Disposable time due to reduced working hours is an inadequate solution to the extreme reduction in labor cost now possible. The main ingredient in a complete recipe must be sharing the profits. That would be a revolution and one that can be won. Posing a existential specter to capitalists gets in the way. Going back to taxing their surplus income would leave them still plenty rich and could be sold. Even without much work the food we eat would still have value. Barry -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#39207): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/39207 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/116212601/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
