Alan: Yes, I understand. But the people (taxpayer dollars) won't pay for it, and neither will a foundation and neither will a donor.
(I'm speaking of here in my part of the world, of course -- but I know I'm not speaking only for myself. If you can get a foundation to pay for this, that's great, and I can only envy you.) So yes, it's an investment, and not only has to be repaid, but has to bring in enough new income to prove that the initial investment was worth it. That's the way our budget priorities work, at any rate. Amalyah ________________________________________ ?????: ??mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] ??? Newman, Alan [A-Newman at NGA.GOV] ??????: ????? ????? 21 ??? 2009 18:36 ????: Museum Computer Network Listserv ??????: Re: [MCN-L] ??RE : ??RE: Image Sizes (later Image Theft) Amalyah, My point addressed those that were able to get funding for this by any means and what to do with the system. If the people or a foundation or a donor pay $100K for the system this is a gift and does not need to be allocated or recovered. If you borrow the money and are expected to repay a debt (this would be a new idea) you can find a fair way to repay those funds. Mission determines not only policy but budget priorities. Alan On 5/21/09 11:18 AM, "Amalyah Keshet" <akeshet at imj.org.il> wrote: > Alan: One thing I've learned in exploring the possibilities for setting up > an online, download-it-yourself site is that the cost of maintenance, > bandwidth, and 24/7 support is not trivial, and there is indeed human service > involved. The thing doesn't literally run itself. And the cost of the > build is far from trivial - anywhere from $50,000 to $150,00. I have to pay > for that with something -- no one's handing us the money to do it. That > something is going to have to be a revenue stream. "Mission-driven public > policy" may make us look in the direction of an online, download-it-yourself > site, but it isn't going to pay to make it happen. Amalyah Keshet Head of > Image Resources & Copyright Management The Israel Museum, > Jerusalem ________________________________________ ?????: > ??mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] ??? Newman, Alan > [A-Newman at NGA.GOV] ??????: ????? ????? 21 ??? 2009 15:17 ????: Museum Computer > Network Listserv ??????: Re: [MCN-L] ??RE: Image Sizes (later Image > Theft) Hi Amalyah, My point was that after the build the maintenance costs > are trivial to keep the self-serve part of the system going. There is only > automated file delivery and no human service...for that part of the > program. The main question, debated here often, is whether this should be > mission-driven public policy rather than thought off as a crucial revenue > stream. In my imaginary proposal you get both. Alan -----Original > Message----- From: mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu on behalf of Amalyah Keshet > [akeshet at imj.org.il] Sent: Thu 5/21/2009 4:26 AM To: Museum Computer Network > Listserv Subject: [MCN-L] ??RE: Image Sizes (later Image Theft) "When we > build self-serve sites for image licensing which have trivial costs after the > build, and especially if we are using the people's money, it is hard to > justify charging for extant images of public domain art." Trivial costs? Not > according to our CIO. I'm struggling to get something like this online, due > to the sheer cost, which is most certainly not paid for by "the people's > money". And we need to remember that people aren't paying for "images of > public domain art" (an abstract) but for image files + delivery + > service. "As Mark Jones, director of the V&A remarked, paraphrased as told to > me, "the people paid for this once, why should they pay again?" Perhaps the > V&A is a fully-government-funded institution (with a very active commercial > branch, V&A Enterprises, Ltd., to help support it -- including an excellent > for-payment picture library). But not so my non-government-funded > institution. We literally do not have a photography budget. High-quality > images are paid for by individual exhibition catalog budgets, which are fully > funded by private donations. Amalyah Keshet Head of Image Resources & > Copyright Management The Israel Museum, > Jerusalem ________________________________________ ? From: Newman, Alan > <A-Newman at NGA.GOV> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Image Sizes (later Image Theft) To: > "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> Date: Wednesday, May 20, > 2009, 1:12 PM Nik, Matt, Ken, Nancy, Mike et al, Here's another music model > --- from Radiohead (quoting from Wikipedia") "Radiohead's seventh album, In > Rainbows, was released through the band's own website on 10 October 2007 as a > digital download for which customers could make whatever payment that they > wanted, including nothing; the site only advised, "it's up to you".[46] > Following the band's sudden announcement 10 days beforehand, Radiohead's > unusual strategy received much notice within the music industry and > beyond.[47] 1.2 million downloads were reportedly sold by the day of > release,[48] but the band's management did not release official sales figures, > claiming that the Internet-only distribution was intended to boost later > retail sales." So we adopt a museum convention in use at the Met and > elsewhere for admissions: pay what you can afford for images. What could be > more fair? What could draw more attention to our collections? Who knows, this > might be the answer to Mariet Westermann's recommendation to streamline > image licensing. When we build self-serve sites for image licensing which > have trivial costs after the build, and especially if we are using the > people's money, it is hard to justify charging for extant images of public > domain art. As Mark Jones, director of the V&A remarked, paraphrased as told > to me, "the people paid for this once, why should they pay again?" Nik, wish > me luck getting this through. Alan Newman On 5/5/09 6:23 PM, "Nik > Honeysett" <NHoneysett at getty.edu> wrote: > This reminds me of a classic > example in the music industry in the early 90's. > Blue Note Record's legal > team came across a 12" single called "The Band Played > the Boogie" featuring > an illegal sampling of Grant Green's "Sookie Sookie", > enjoying a huge > underground following. Rather than pursue a suit, Blue Note > hired the group > and gave them access to their full back catalogue. The > resulting release was > Blue Note's first platinum-selling album (Us3 - Hand on > the Torch). So, put > your images out there, wait for someone to figure out > how to make money from > them, then hire them. 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