Hi Sina - You are correct! And I did not mean to imply that the transcripts provided by YT are perfect. They are not at all. However, UCLA's office of ADA compliance has told us that they are ok with us providing captions in this way. There is definitely much work to be done on this front - I'd will reach out to you separately about better ways!
Susan On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 2:07 PM Sina Bahram <s...@sinabahram.com> wrote: > Because Susan mentioned captions below, I just wanted to make one thing > really clear. I don't mean to disagree, Susan, and it's not the main topic > of this thread, so apologies to the OP ahead of time, but it's critical to > understand that automatically generated captions are not sufficient for > accessibility/inclusive design reasons. I don't think you were implying > that they were since many places take the auto-generated captions, then > edit them to be compliant/useful, but this question comes up a ton in our > work. Happy to discuss under a separate thread/cover, but trying to not > high-jack the thread here. > > Thanks > > Take care, > Sina > > President, Prime Access Consulting, Inc. > Phone: 919-345-3832 > https://www.PAC.bz > Twitter: @SinaBahram > Personal Website: https://www.sinabahram.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: mcn-l <mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu> On Behalf Of Susan Edwards > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 2:14 PM > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l@mcn.edu> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Video hosting question > > Hi Ellice - > We have lots of videos on YouTube and are currently adding on the order of > 100 each year. We think of YT as another social media outlet, and it's an > important distribution channel for us. > Agree with Matt about the lack of control over the content that's delivered > at the end of the videos, but that has a lot to do with the user and their > own watching habits. Just like any other social media platform, this needs > to be managed, and you need to keep up with the changes - it requires care > and feeding. I think it's important that you have a social media person or > marketing/communications team that can manage this platform - that's got to > be part of the investment. > > YT isn't the only place our videos are hosted - this is not our archive. > We also post a lot to Vimeo (mostly produced promotional videos), and all > of our public programs documentation videos originate on the Livestream > platform. Everything is archived on-site as well. We are about to embark on > a Mellon-funded project to create an online archive for our public programs > documentation videos, and we may move choose a different host for this, but > I don't think we will stop also posting to YT. > > Another important thing for us is the auto-captioning YT provides. As part > of UCLA, we are a government entity and have to comply with ADA > requirements for accessibility. Without the captioning provided by YT for > free, we would have to take on this expense and > > And yes, we have had videos blocked and taken down for copyright, AND our > account was blocked from live broadcasting on YT for 3 months. It's all > robots-managed and there is virtually nothing you can do about it - it's > super frustrating. I have tried to appeal many ways, many times, to no > avail! > > Hope this helps - happy to discuss more! > Susan > > Susan Edwards > Associate Director, Digital Content > Hammer Museum > 10899 Wilshire Bl > Los Angeles, CA 90024 > sedwa...@hammer.ucla.edu > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:50 AM Matt Popke <mpo...@denverartmuseum.org> > wrote: > > > Hi Ellice, > > > > We have a lot of video currently hosted on YouTube at the DAM. We're > still > > using it for some purpose, but we've recently been moving away from it > for > > some purposes, as well. > > > > Regarding copyright: I think the biggest risk of copyright issues on > > youtube is that it has a very large audience and automated takedown > systems > > regularly scan the content there. It's just more likely that some > automated > > system will flag a video—any video—for takedown, often incorrectly. It > > really depends on what you're putting up there. > > > > The reason we're moving away from youtube for much of our content has > more > > to do with YouTube's recommendation algorithm and the decreasing amount > of > > control we have over YouTube embeds in web pages. There is currently no > way > > to reliably turn off the grid of recommendations that appears in a > youtube > > video after it has finished playing. It used to be an API feature that we > > could decide to enable or disable depending on our use case, but lately > the > > grid just appears whether we like it or not. > > > > We have no control over what shows up in those recommendations, and a > > significant amount of the content on YouTube is problematic in one way or > > another (extremism, racism, violence, etc.). We don't want to appear to > the > > unitiated user as though we are tacitly supporting or recommending > whatever > > YouTube's algorithm decides to show when our video is done playing. > > > > It's different for video that is viewed on YouTube's site. Users know who > > is running the show there. But increasingly, when embedding video content > > on web pages we are using Vimeo because we have more control over the > > embeds. > > > > Also, as YouTube continues to pursue monetization strategies that > > privilege ads and advertisers, we anticipate service changes that would > be > > at odds with our goals as an institution. It's easier to start moving to > a > > different service now when we have time to adjust then to find ourselves > > moving to that service in a panicked rush after changes occur. The > benefit > > of paying for a video hosting service is you know what you are getting > and > > can be more assured that, aside from possible price increases, the > service > > isn't going to pull the rug out from under you without warning. > > > > Matt Popke > > Developer > > 720.913.0126 > > mpo...@denverartmuseum.org > > > > > > On 10/14/19, 07:32, "mcn-l on behalf of Ellice Engdahl" < > > mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu on behalf of elli...@thehenryford.org> wrote: > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do > > not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and > > know the content is safe. > > > > > > Hello, all, > > > > While we have plenty of "modern" video out on YouTube, we currently > > host most our historic and collections-item videos (e.g. oral history > video > > clips) on a private streaming platform. We don't use much of the > > functionality provided by the private platform, so the question has come > up > > whether YouTube would meet our needs as a player. > > > > Some questions/potential concerns that have passed through my head: > > > > > > 1. Are there potentially different copyright implications to > > private hosting than to YouTube? What if we made the YouTube videos > > unlisted so we were simply using it as a player? > > 2. Has anyone had (or is/was concerned about having) historic > video > > challenged or taken down as in violation of YouTube's community > standards? > > > > Can anyone weigh in on these? And are there other issues to > > contemplate that I am missing? If the people at your institution who > would > > make such decisions are not on the MCN listserv, I'd love it if you'd > pass > > this along to them-I will take any and all input, on- or off-list. > > > > If you've chosen to use a private streaming service in addition to or > > instead of YouTube, I'd be interested to know what additional value you > > think it brings. > > > > Thanks! > > > > ................................................. > > Gain Perspective. Get Inspired. 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