> go to that last url on his web site, i posted it to this > discussion a while back about it. it is however only atrac > 3 if i recall correctly. Yep it's a player only .. 132kbit max, won't run unless you backdate your system date. There are samples there too (at different rates). I wasn't that impressed with the quality .. but I was just using PC speakers. L8R GC ----------------------------------------------------------------- To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]