Speaking of rally accidents, did any of you see the race a week or two ago where the car came off the road, end for ended straight towards a spectator who just stood there, and then at the last minute the car flipped high in the air and cleared him?
Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 10:01:35 PM, you wrote: RC> These purpose built Group B cars were basically racing technology in a "road RC> going skin". Only 200 had to be built (not necessarily registered) to RC> qualify them as Group B rally cars. RC> They were being driven on public roads at huge speeds and a couple of major RC> prangs involving fatalities to spectators sealed the fate of these cars. RC> They were replaced by Group G (I think). This formula required 5000 road RC> registered versions to be produced to make them eligible as rally cars. RC> ----- Original Message ----- RC> From: "Adam Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RC> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RC> Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2002 22:54 PM RC> Subject: Re: Lancia Delta S4 - 4wd Group B rally weapon >> what was the reasoning behind banning this particular car? because it was >> too quick? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Clough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:38 PM >> Subject: Lancia Delta S4 - 4wd Group B rally weapon >> >> >> > I have just searched my archives and found the specs of the Lancia Delta >> S4 >> > Group B rally car. It goes close to my most desired car. >> > Here they are: >> > Produced in mid 1985, it had an Abarth engine of 1759cc mid/rear RC> mounted, >> > with a KKK Turbo plus Volumex "compressor" (supercharger) providing 1.35 >> > Bar. The early cars produced 298KW at 8000RPM and 392 Nm of torque at >> > 5000RPM (and over 270Nm at 2000RPM.). Rev limit was 10000RPM, so it was >> no >> > slugger! >> > It had a driveline that looks like a Subaru flipped front to rear, RC> engine >> > longitudinal but behind the crew, with the 5 speed gearbox facing RC> forward. >> A >> > twin plate clutch driving through front, rear and centre diff, which RC> could >> > only be altered for front to rear balance by mechanical adjustment. RC> (This >> > was improved by the time they were winning ralllies) >> > Wheels were 8 by 16 front and 12 by 16 in rear, under huge boxed guard >> > flares, popular at the time. >> > A very short exhaust pipe poked under the rear skirt from the KKK turbo >> > which was mounted across the drive line, 90 degrees to the trend today, >> the >> > exhaust went through the turbo in a spiral, exiting on the outer >> perimeter, >> > not doing a right angle turn and exiting from the centre as is the RC> common >> > turbo design today. The air intake came through vents in the roof. >> > >> > The car weighed 870 Kgm, the minimum allowed for the class. It was >> basically >> > a tube frame chassis with a kevlar shell. Body specs were: >> > Wheelbase 2440mm >> > Overall length 3990mm >> > Width 1880mm >> > Hight1400mm >> > Weight to power 3.00Kgm per kW (Not too bad eh?) >> > >> > This Lancia dominated European rallying for 2 years until it was banned. >> > This was a very desirable vehicle in its day and still is - anyone know RC> of >> > one for sale? >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Richard Clough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2002 20:05 PM >> > Subject: Re: Fastest 1600 vs Lancia 4wd weapon >> > >> > >> > > OK Errol I will. >> > > >> > > Anyone know who hires these specialised videos in Melbourne? >> > > >> > > I must search my back issue motor mags to get a drawing of the Lancia >> > Delta, >> > > it was before the Stratos and much more radical in its engineering, RC> The >> > > Stratos was mild in comparison, as it conformed to the new regs after >> the >> > > Group B rally cars were banned. >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "E Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2002 23:12 PM >> > > Subject: RE: Fastest 1600 vs Lancia 4wd weapon >> > > >> > > >> > > > Check out the video "too fast to race!" if you get the chance. >> > > > >> > > > Cheers >> > > > Feral Errol >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard >> Clough >> > > > Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2002 9:50 PM >> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > Subject: Re: Fastest 1600 vs Lancia 4wd weapon >> > > > >> > > > Is this the Lancia that helped their WRC domination? >> > > > They were called Deltas. Basically they were a very little box, >> smaller >> > > > than a Datsun 1600. >> > > > >> > > > Purpose built for WRC they were the first truly modern rally car, a >> > > > generation ahead of the more conventional Audi Quattro 4WD that had >> > > > dominated prior to these arriving. The big difference was the layout >> of >> > > the >> > > > driveline, which put the mid engine behind the gearbox. The box sat >> > > between >> > > > the driver and nav facing "backward". They had a 1600cc engine RC> where >> > the >> > > > back seat would be normally. They had a KKK supercharger for lowdown >> > grunt >> > > > which cut out and a turbocharger took over at high revs. HP was RC> 300, >> > all >> > > > you could put down on a road in a 4wd car weighing bugger all. The >> > > > suspension was also high tech. >> > > > Although they looked like a high tech nightmare in drawings, they RC> were >> > > very >> > > > easy to work on as most important bits were spread well apart, even >> > though >> > > > the engine was inside the car. They got banned when Group G? rally >> cars >> > > > became too fast for open roads in the late 1980's. >> > > > >> > > > In my view, the Delta's design spawned the many of the ideas now in >> > > current >> > > > WRX, Lancers, Peugeot's etc.which have all copied elements of the >> Deltas >> > > > (except the complex blown mid engine). >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "nat P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2002 13:58 PM >> > > > Subject: Re: Fastest 1600 vs Lancia 4wd weapon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yep!!! They ARE the fastest 4wd things you can get! >> > > > > >> > > > > I mate owns one in London, He has worked his with all >> > > > > factory rally gear and he goes around hunting WRX and >> > > > > eating them for breakfast!! >> > > > > >> > > > > They also won the WRC 5 (constructors title) years in >> > > > > a row! They were still competitive even after Lancia >> > > > > pullled the plug on the works stuff, They even won >> > > > > another Drivers title after that as well!! >> > > > > >> > > > > Lancia/(and Pugs) are teh best at 4wd cars, hands >> > > > > down!! And audi is a close third! >> > > > > >> > > > > Cheers NAT >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > --- Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > Yep, its a RHD model imported privately by the last >> > > > > > owner, a Doctor who moved from the UK to NZ .A few >> > > > > > Italian car-nuts in my family lots of 124s and GTVs >> > > > > > have come and gone or rusted away :) Driven fairly >> > > > > > regularly and has burnt a lot of Japanese cars. >> > > > > > Hopefully I can redress things with my next 510 :) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > --------------------------------- >> > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? >> > > > > > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- >> > > > > > Send (un)subscribe requests to >> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > > Send submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > > No unauthorised redistribution of this email >> > > > > > http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm >> > > > > > http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html >> > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > >> > > > > http://www.sold.com.au - The Sold.com.au Big Brand Sale >> > > > > - New PCs, notebooks, digital cameras, phones and more ... 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