On Aug 30, 1:51 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

> The result is our representative form of democracy. An attempt to
> combine egalitarianism and the obvious differences in erudition
> between the educated and the 'masses'.

Well I say that is high time that we educated the masses. By that I
mean a more of a Liberal Arts/Socratic Education. The other stuff is
good too (science, tech, etc.). It helps make a strong economy. But,
it is not what forms the basis of an educted population which is
necessary for a democracy.

On Aug 30, 1:51 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course this was one of the main debates when the US was created. It
> was fought hard and heavy on both sides.
> The result is our representative form of democracy. An attempt to
> combine egalitarianism and the obvious differences in erudition
> between the educated and the 'masses'.
>
> On Aug 30, 11:40 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't know.  This kind of idea makes me uncomfortable.  I joke and all,
> > but I wonder if many of my relatives would have been allowed to vote.  Most
> > of them are/were ignorant on most issues and uneducated in general.  On one
> > hand, I don't want jerks screwing up the world for the rest of us by voting
> > for assholes, but I don't like the idea of denying opportunity to people,
> > even if they act like idiots sometimes.
>
> >   I don't know.  I would be glad to be given a shiny red robe and be placed
> > by the voting machine, and then if I didn't like the person who walked up to
> > vote, I would stop them in their tracks and yell, "No vote for you!" and
> > send them on their way.  That's the only way I can see in this moment that I
> > would trust any system to choose who could or could not vote! If I were the
> > decider!  :-)
>
> > Liz
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Isparklaria
> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:30 PM
> > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > Subject: Re: The Future for a non secular State.
>
> > I would image that some reasonably accurate and objective test could
> > be set up to determine who is going to vote based on party or
> > religious loyalty and who has taken some time to examine the issues. I
> > would also imagine that some reasonably accurate and objective test
> > could be set up to determine whose mind is so close that they will not
> > examine new and meaningful evidence.
>
> > On Aug 30, 1:06 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Well I believe that I for one am completely capable of making the decision
> > > as to who can be allowed to vote and who cannot, and I would be glad to
> > take
> > > such a burden of responsibility off the shoulders of others.  Don't worry
> > > about a thing.  I'll know who's worthy when I hear them.  I think Michael
> > > and I are on the same page here.  
>
> > >   Let us help you...  :-)
>
> > > Liz
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > ornamentalmind
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:01 PM
> > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > Subject: Re: The Future for a non secular State.
>
> > > " My answer to the this problem is simple. England and the United
> > > States for that matter should take away the voting rights from people
> > > who are obviously not thinking for themselves. This would include
> > > nearly all religious fundamentalists as well as others who are overly
> > > infected with any powerful memes." - Michael
>
> > > Yes Michael! Of course, *I* would include all of those who are
> > > infected with the meme that one group can accurately determine who is
> > > and who is not thinking for themself! INEQULITY for all! :-)
>
> > > On Aug 30, 10:36 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > My answer to the this problem is simple. England and the United States
> > > > for that matter should take away the voting rights from people who are
> > > > obviously not thinking for themselves. This would include nearly all
> > > > religious fundamentalists as well as others who are overly infected
> > > > with any powerful memes.
>
> > > > On Aug 30, 11:29 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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