Oh, we used to have music in all schools...even free use of
instruments...study of the arts, drawing classes, theater etc. And,
this is(was) all pre university level!
One thing more, we had mechanical voting machines and paper ballots
that were 'transparent' and easily recounted.
As an aside, when it comes to science, math etc., I found that they
helped to change (expand) my thinking as well as my observation and
analysis.
On Aug 30, 11:56 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 1:51 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>
> > The result is our representative form of democracy. An attempt to
> > combine egalitarianism and the obvious differences in erudition
> > between the educated and the 'masses'.
>
> Well I say that is high time that we educated the masses. By that I
> mean a more of a Liberal Arts/Socratic Education. The other stuff is
> good too (science, tech, etc.). It helps make a strong economy. But,
> it is not what forms the basis of an educted population which is
> necessary for a democracy.
>
> On Aug 30, 1:51 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Of course this was one of the main debates when the US was created. It
> > was fought hard and heavy on both sides.
> > The result is our representative form of democracy. An attempt to
> > combine egalitarianism and the obvious differences in erudition
> > between the educated and the 'masses'.
>
> > On Aug 30, 11:40 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I don't know. This kind of idea makes me uncomfortable. I joke and all,
> > > but I wonder if many of my relatives would have been allowed to vote.
> > > Most
> > > of them are/were ignorant on most issues and uneducated in general. On
> > > one
> > > hand, I don't want jerks screwing up the world for the rest of us by
> > > voting
> > > for assholes, but I don't like the idea of denying opportunity to people,
> > > even if they act like idiots sometimes.
>
> > > I don't know. I would be glad to be given a shiny red robe and be
> > > placed
> > > by the voting machine, and then if I didn't like the person who walked up
> > > to
> > > vote, I would stop them in their tracks and yell, "No vote for you!" and
> > > send them on their way. That's the only way I can see in this moment
> > > that I
> > > would trust any system to choose who could or could not vote! If I were
> > > the
> > > decider! :-)
>
> > > Liz
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > Isparklaria
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:30 PM
> > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > Subject: Re: The Future for a non secular State.
>
> > > I would image that some reasonably accurate and objective test could
> > > be set up to determine who is going to vote based on party or
> > > religious loyalty and who has taken some time to examine the issues. I
> > > would also imagine that some reasonably accurate and objective test
> > > could be set up to determine whose mind is so close that they will not
> > > examine new and meaningful evidence.
>
> > > On Aug 30, 1:06 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Well I believe that I for one am completely capable of making the
> > > > decision
> > > > as to who can be allowed to vote and who cannot, and I would be glad to
> > > take
> > > > such a burden of responsibility off the shoulders of others. Don't
> > > > worry
> > > > about a thing. I'll know who's worthy when I hear them. I think
> > > > Michael
> > > > and I are on the same page here.
>
> > > > Let us help you... :-)
>
> > > > Liz
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > > ornamentalmind
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:01 PM
> > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > Subject: Re: The Future for a non secular State.
>
> > > > " My answer to the this problem is simple. England and the United
> > > > States for that matter should take away the voting rights from people
> > > > who are obviously not thinking for themselves. This would include
> > > > nearly all religious fundamentalists as well as others who are overly
> > > > infected with any powerful memes." - Michael
>
> > > > Yes Michael! Of course, *I* would include all of those who are
> > > > infected with the meme that one group can accurately determine who is
> > > > and who is not thinking for themself! INEQULITY for all! :-)
>
> > > > On Aug 30, 10:36 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > My answer to the this problem is simple. England and the United States
> > > > > for that matter should take away the voting rights from people who are
> > > > > obviously not thinking for themselves. This would include nearly all
> > > > > religious fundamentalists as well as others who are overly infected
> > > > > with any powerful memes.
>
> > > > > On Aug 30, 11:29 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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