Thanks for the response Clog. And, of course, circumstances differ.

This said, friends and relatives will mourn and grieve regardless.
Further, the rather codependent view that we should do or not do
something based upon what someone else might wish they could have done
is clearly not only convoluted, but an actual psychological confusion
and illness.

As to insurance, many of use, me included, can not afford insurance so
it is not applicable. Also, anyone who ‘survives’ a family member’s
death will need to be self reliant regardless of hopes for insurance
monies.

Of course, the main topic as I understood it was about death with
dignity, thus having to do with irreversible illness. (Regardless of
family size!)

Again, while in many ways we are in fact dependent upon others, this
codependent notion you present of “take the time beforehand to satisfy
everyone’s needs” is viewed by most within the psychological community
as an illness.

Now when it comes to the idea of ‘selfish suicide’, a strange notion
to me, what the heck would this be? In fact, to survive we all must be
selfish. We must address whether to be or not to be. This is our
responsibility and ours alone. To, in a very real sense, blame the
‘victim’ (the one hurting so much that the only solution seen is
death) is the height of lack of empathy and sympathy. I won’t attempt
to guess what motivates you here, but I do ask you to look deeply
about this topic.

I don’t know Clarence.

As to Buddhism, since there are even more sects (schools/beliefs)
within the large umbrella of Buddhism than there are found within
Christianity, there is no one answer. There may not even be 100
answers. Having said this, I will share what little I have learned
about the topic.

I will preface this with “as I understand it” since you may find other
views to be the case too and/or inaccuracies within my view.
As I understand it, most schools of Buddhism are against suicide.
Views range from fundamentalist views predicting a very low birth next
time to more enlightened views about it depending upon one’s
motivation as to the severity of said action. So far, I have not
noticed any school that readily accepts suicide as being just fine.
Having said this, I think I know of specific and unique cases where
doctor assisted suicide have taken place within this tradition.
Most Buddhist traditions do not reflect the more Christian view of
‘endless torture’ (hell). In almost every schema of reincarnation, one
can move up and/or down the scale, from the hell realms up to the god
realms with full enlightenment as the final goal.

Not asked, but as I understand it some Christian sects (cults?)
believe that if a foetus dies, it goes directly to heaven. I have
debated some of these believers about how, in such a case, abortion
would be the best thing possible for the potential child. Few see the
contraction.


On Oct 3, 7:16 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi y'all - there are many ways our lives (or loss of) affect those of
> others. If we choose suicide, the circmumstances are  so varied that I
> can't address every issue. Our closest friends and relatives ( even if
> they are religious, owing to the sin factor) will mourn our deaths and
> wish they could have helped, perhaps. Our insurance policies will
> become null and void unless we fake the suicide. I suppose it is
> possible in a small family situation with an incurable disease, to
> take the time beforehand to satisfy everyone's needs, but I submit
> that this is a much rarer event than a simple "I've had enough"
> selfish suicide.
>  Perhaps you overlooked my signature on an earlier post. I'm not a
> movie goer but I signed it "Clarence" from Miracle on some street or
> other. I'm sure you've been unable to avoid seeing it some christmas.
> I wonder what the Buddhist position is? If they commit suicide in
> every life, do they get to Nirvana quicker or is the bad karma from
> the suicide reflected in an endless tortured existance?
>
> On Oct 3, 8:44 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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> > Perhaps someone would like to expand upon the notion of "their
> > obligations to others"? What is meant is not clear.  Also, the basis
> > for such an ethos is not clear either.
>
> > On Oct 3, 6:29 am, Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > "Hope they consider their obligations to others.."  I agree with this
> > > and it's one of the things I hoped would come up.  In a moral (and
> > > sometimes legal) sense, our lives are not totally our own.
>
> > > On Oct 2, 5:01 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > Hi y'all - all humans have the right to choose to die. Hope they
> > > > consider their obligations to others first though, whenever relevant.
> > > > Clog aka Clarence
>
> > > > On Oct 2, 4:49 pm, Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > What about perfectly healthy people who want to end their lives?
> > > > > Should suicide of any kind be illegal?
>
> > > > > Aaron
>
> > > > > On Oct 2, 10:39 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > > Hi y'all - just in 
> > > > > > case:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/oct/02/law.health1-Hidequotedtext-
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