Yes clog, the existential attitude of fear is often justified by such practical overlays of ‘this works’ upon appearances. And, of course I’m not sure that you feel this way!
I would also suggest that we both seek perfection (since you would most likely reject the term ‘nirvana’). In the US, this notion is common. “In order to form a more perfect Union….”, science studies appearances in a search for some sort of perfection of a view of reality etc. Yes, I know, I’ve “up-leveled” the discussion into more ethereal realms where you seem unwilling to venture. This is fine too. Of course, to merely ‘use what we have’ would logically reject change. But, I digress. Thanks again! On Oct 8, 3:03 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi y'all - we have no absolutes in the market or anywhere else. I have > much experience with the market, and I believe, a good understanding > of what would happen without the regulations that we do have. Free > trade has not caused our present situation. Indeed, if we had free > trade and brokers were liable for their bad moves, instead of being > able to sell their lousy loans to the Govt. willy nillly, we (I) > wouldn't be suffering now. I've lived through it before in 1987. I get > the impression that you seek nirvana or perfection. That is not going > to happen - I use what we have to best advantage and I find it better > than most alternatives. > > On Oct 8, 4:52 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > “I generally like to believe in an unfettered free market system. > > Having said that we have rules and regulations in place for trading in > > shares/commodities/foreign exchange which I believe are adequate if > > properly enforced.” – clog > > > Oh, yes clog! Many people like to believe in it (an unfettered free > > market system)…along with other mythologies. > > Case in point, you follow you preference of said belief with > > qualifiers. Thus, denuding the adjective > > ‘unfettered’. Then you follow this with another fantasy of ‘adequate > > if properly enforced’. > > > I don’t mean to be too harsh with you clog, you seem like a likable > > enough person and I appreciate your views, it’s just that all of the > > above equates to unprocessed thinking in my book. > > > Hehe, ‘start in the middle and move about a bit.’!!! Well, yes, you > > say ‘waffling’ and I say ambivalence. In such situations, a preferable > > statement would be “I have no idea.”, no? :-) > > > Having said this, I’ll jump into the fray and suggest that such > > ‘rules’ and ‘good thoughts’, as common as the memes are, have precious > > little to do with the full impact and truth of reality. > > > On Oct 8, 2:39 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi y'all - I generally like to believe in an unfettered free market > > > system. Having said that we have rules and regulations in place for > > > trading in shares/commodities/foreign exchange which I believe are > > > adequate if properly enforced. For example, if I sell a stock and use > > > the money immediately to buy another stock, I am using unsettled funds > > > and I am unable to sell that stock until settlement. This is one of > > > many good rules which go some way to preventing fraud (of course the > > > system is not perfect and there is always fraud.) > > > Where do I draw the line? I could write an essay on this one. It is > > > somewhere between a socialist state and an unregulated free market > > > economy. It would define the rights of man without infringing on his > > > freedom. It would start with "do no harm" and end with "for the > > > greater good" taking into account both, but relying solely on neither. > > > I've started waffling. I don't know where to draw the bloody line but > > > I'd start in the middle and move it about a bit. > > > > On Oct 8, 2:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Clog, two questions: > > > > > 1. Do you believe in a free and unfettered free market system? > > > > > 2. Where do you draw the line? > > > > > On Oct 8, 8:52 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi y'all - yes I agree with Taylor. Especially quoting from Orn "Not > > > > > everyone is open to supporting the common good." I would doubt that > > > > > anyone here would not support the common good, but we have differing > > > > > views on how to do it. I believe in a free enterprize, free market > > > > > system. I saw the results of an excessive welfare state when I was > > > > > younger, Having said that, I don't consider myself a right wing > > > > > fanatic - there is a line to draw and I hope it wouldn't be too far > > > > > from Orn's. > > > > > > On Oct 8, 10:26 am, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > <<Clearly some have vested interests and/or ideological beliefs > > > > > > against some of them. That is why I said "...most of us.." meaning > > > > > > the > > > > > > majority in the USA. 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