Hi y'all - yes I agree with "more perfect Union" rather than just "perfect Union" which can't be achieved. I've found over the last 21 years that I've been in this country, that the systems here are indeed more user friendly than most other places. I have the capacity to live just about anywhere and I've chosen this country, with all its faults, as the best that man has yet produced. Having said that, the last 8 years have been a reversal in my opinion. The Patriot Act - Faith Based Crap - Wiretaps - Torture - War - all unnecessary and an assault on our freedom and lifestyle. End of rant - I'm staying here!
On Oct 8, 5:14 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes clog, the existential attitude of fear is often justified by such > practical overlays of ‘this works’ upon appearances. And, of course > I’m not sure that you feel this way! > > I would also suggest that we both seek perfection (since you would > most likely reject the term ‘nirvana’). In the US, this notion is > common. “In order to form a more perfect Union….”, science studies > appearances in a search for some sort of perfection of a view of > reality etc. > > Yes, I know, I’ve “up-leveled” the discussion into more ethereal > realms where you seem unwilling to venture. This is fine too. > > Of course, to merely ‘use what we have’ would logically reject change. > But, I digress. > > Thanks again! > > On Oct 8, 3:03 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi y'all - we have no absolutes in the market or anywhere else. I have > > much experience with the market, and I believe, a good understanding > > of what would happen without the regulations that we do have. Free > > trade has not caused our present situation. Indeed, if we had free > > trade and brokers were liable for their bad moves, instead of being > > able to sell their lousy loans to the Govt. willy nillly, we (I) > > wouldn't be suffering now. I've lived through it before in 1987. I get > > the impression that you seek nirvana or perfection. That is not going > > to happen - I use what we have to best advantage and I find it better > > than most alternatives. > > > On Oct 8, 4:52 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > “I generally like to believe in an unfettered free market system. > > > Having said that we have rules and regulations in place for trading in > > > shares/commodities/foreign exchange which I believe are adequate if > > > properly enforced.” – clog > > > > Oh, yes clog! Many people like to believe in it (an unfettered free > > > market system)…along with other mythologies. > > > Case in point, you follow you preference of said belief with > > > qualifiers. Thus, denuding the adjective > > > ‘unfettered’. Then you follow this with another fantasy of ‘adequate > > > if properly enforced’. > > > > I don’t mean to be too harsh with you clog, you seem like a likable > > > enough person and I appreciate your views, it’s just that all of the > > > above equates to unprocessed thinking in my book. > > > > Hehe, ‘start in the middle and move about a bit.’!!! Well, yes, you > > > say ‘waffling’ and I say ambivalence. In such situations, a preferable > > > statement would be “I have no idea.”, no? :-) > > > > Having said this, I’ll jump into the fray and suggest that such > > > ‘rules’ and ‘good thoughts’, as common as the memes are, have precious > > > little to do with the full impact and truth of reality. > > > > On Oct 8, 2:39 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi y'all - I generally like to believe in an unfettered free market > > > > system. Having said that we have rules and regulations in place for > > > > trading in shares/commodities/foreign exchange which I believe are > > > > adequate if properly enforced. For example, if I sell a stock and use > > > > the money immediately to buy another stock, I am using unsettled funds > > > > and I am unable to sell that stock until settlement. This is one of > > > > many good rules which go some way to preventing fraud (of course the > > > > system is not perfect and there is always fraud.) > > > > Where do I draw the line? I could write an essay on this one. It is > > > > somewhere between a socialist state and an unregulated free market > > > > economy. It would define the rights of man without infringing on his > > > > freedom. It would start with "do no harm" and end with "for the > > > > greater good" taking into account both, but relying solely on neither. > > > > I've started waffling. I don't know where to draw the bloody line but > > > > I'd start in the middle and move it about a bit. > > > > > On Oct 8, 2:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Clog, two questions: > > > > > > 1. Do you believe in a free and unfettered free market system? > > > > > > 2. Where do you draw the line? > > > > > > On Oct 8, 8:52 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi y'all - yes I agree with Taylor. Especially quoting from Orn "Not > > > > > > everyone is open to supporting the common good." I would doubt that > > > > > > anyone here would not support the common good, but we have differing > > > > > > views on how to do it. I believe in a free enterprize, free market > > > > > > system. I saw the results of an excessive welfare state when I was > > > > > > younger, Having said that, I don't consider myself a right wing > > > > > > fanatic - there is a line to draw and I hope it wouldn't be too far > > > > > > from Orn's. > > > > > > > On Oct 8, 10:26 am, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > <<Clearly some have vested interests and/or ideological beliefs > > > > > > > against some of them. That is why I said "...most of us.." > > > > > > > meaning the > > > > > > > majority in the USA. 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