Thanks.  :-)

Liz

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ornamentalmind
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:07 PM
To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
Subject: Re: This comes close to my Philosophy


Well said Liz!

'Forever' there have been same sex 'marriages'. In our culture and
time, seldom are such events 'legitimized' by law. The reasons to
rectify such an obvious exception to our original declaration are
legion.

Declaration of Independence
(Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776)
The Unanimous Declaration
of the Thirteen United States of America

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one
people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with
another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and
equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle
them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they
should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted
among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to
these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it,
and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such
principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall
seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. …

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/doi/text.html for the
rest of the story.



On Oct 14, 2:36 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But that seems like needing to know whether your guests will be black or
> white.  It shouldn't matter.
>
> The word "marriage" is itself an important symbol to many in the gay
> community.  I think we should give them the satisfaction of legitimacy,
even
> if it cramps your semantic style.  :-)
>
> Liz
>
>
>
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> From: [email protected]
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Clogtowner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:09 PM
> To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> Subject: Re: This comes close to my Philosophy
>
> Hi y'all - the legal acceptance of same sex unions is a new phenomenon
> in this country therefore it should be suitably named - there is no
> more to my argument than that.
> Let's see if I can spell it out more clearly: If I buy some real
> estate the heading on the contract is "Contract for the sale of real
> estate." If I take out a loan the heading is "Contract for a loan
> agreement." The traditional marriage certificate is entitled
> "Certificate of Marriage." As we have a new situation, which has not
> legally been recognised before, what is wrong with choosing a suitable
> name to identify it? Marriage won't do as I have indicated earlier.
> What does everyone have against a new name? The very least that would
> be achieved is that when I call someone and ask them to dinner, I
> would know if they are bringing someone of the same sex or opposite,
> and I can make preparations accordingly. In this instance, it is
> simply a matter of etiquette.
>
> On Oct 14, 12:03 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "This being the case, there is no harm in calling a new phenomenon by
> > a new name to remove any confusion." - clog
>
> > Of course, seen from a provincial point of view, it is ‘a new
> > phenomenon’. In the larger view of all of humanity, it is not. So,
> > there is no ‘harm’ in attempting to accept that the word ‘marriage’
> > can have different meanings, which it has ALWAYS had and will continue
> > to have.
>
> > On Oct 14, 8:42 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hi y'all - I agree that language changes over time. I remember one of
> > > my favorite songs as a youth containing the phrase "shall I be blamed
> > > if god has made me gay." Of course, it referred to a happy person and
> > > a womanizer.
> > > This being the case, there is no harm in calling a new phenomenon by a
> > > new name to remove any confusion.
>
> > > On Oct 14, 9:58 am, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > <<Therefore, a different purpose requires a different name. Q.E.D.
>>
>
> > > > No, it doesn't.  The meaning of words can change and this one will.
> > > > Just like the meaning of the word "gay" changed to a new purpose.-
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