Clog, even my most OCD gay friend don't share your social concerns! :-)
On Oct 14, 3:41 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi y'all - it is important for me to know how many males and females > I've invited for dinner and I don't like making social gaffts by > asking strangers what their preferences are. For instance, if I invite > Stem Cell to dinner it is necessary to ensure that I have at least 4 > females sitting near him and that he is seated very close to the gents > bathroom and bar. Knowledge of guest relationships would be vital at > our swinger parties. > It seems that most disagree with me here in using the term marriage. > What's wrong with life partner? Where's the extra paperwork - just a > different contract with similar rights? Let's take it to it's logical > conclusion - if two males get married how do they introduce each > other? Hi, this is my wife, or hi, this is my partner? If you use the > word partner, aren't you making your choice in terminology? > > On Oct 14, 4:55 pm, SmuglyDismissed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Sorry to just barge into this thread but... > > > I don't see how the legal term for it has anything to do with how > > people describe it in a socal context. If/when this is legal in my > > state of residence (and if I decide to partake), I will likely use the > > terms 'married' and 'husband' in spite of the official legal > > definition. If someone wants to waste the energy to point out that > > it's not technically the same (In a legal sense or using their own > > subjective definition of what marrage means to them), then that's > > their prerogative. > > > Honestly though, if the term marrage applies to all unions, how often > > will things be unclear? Unless you know very little about the person > > and/or they are intentionally trying to make things confusing, > > miscommunication seems very unlikely. Most generic terms for a spouse > > that I would use in a conversation are gendered... > > > Isn't it significantly more complicated from a legal standpoint to > > maintain two seperate institutions with exactly the same legal > > function as opposed to using a single nstitution. The fact that one > > can have children with genetic material from both parents is not > > important as far as the law is considered. Wouldn't a seperate > > institution be more vulnerable to legal challenge? (And paperwork! How > > many more forms would agencies need to make?) > > > Just because I'm curious, in what sort of situations would a mistake > > like this be an issue anyway? Meeting a couple for dinner and finding > > out that they are gay dosen't exactly ruin the evening... If special > > accomodations need to be made based on the precise numbers of males > > and females that will be attending an event or if the presense of a > > gay couple will be an issue, it's probably better to just ask outright > > rather than making assumptions. > > > In most situations, at worst, you are going to have an "Oh, I thought > > he was female" moment the first time you meet someone... that dosen't > > seem very significant. > > > That being said, I'll have to remember to say "I'm bringing the person > > I'm currently dating" or "The person I married is coming with me" when > > I make plans with new people, just to keep 'em guessing. (The > > situation would be even better if he had a gender neutral name.) > > > On Oct 14, 2:09 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi y'all - the legal acceptance of same sex unions is a new phenomenon > > > in this country therefore it should be suitably named - there is no > > > more to my argument than that. > > > Let's see if I can spell it out more clearly: If I buy some real > > > estate the heading on the contract is "Contract for the sale of real > > > estate." If I take out a loan the heading is "Contract for a loan > > > agreement." The traditional marriage certificate is entitled > > > "Certificate of Marriage." As we have a new situation, which has not > > > legally been recognised before, what is wrong with choosing a suitable > > > name to identify it? Marriage won't do as I have indicated earlier. > > > What does everyone have against a new name? The very least that would > > > be achieved is that when I call someone and ask them to dinner, I > > > would know if they are bringing someone of the same sex or opposite, > > > and I can make preparations accordingly. In this instance, it is > > > simply a matter of etiquette. > > > > On Oct 14, 12:03 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > "This being the case, there is no harm in calling a new phenomenon by > > > > a new name to remove any confusion." - clog > > > > > Of course, seen from a provincial point of view, it is ‘a new > > > > phenomenon’. In the larger view of all of humanity, it is not. So, > > > > there is no ‘harm’ in attempting to accept that the word ‘marriage’ > > > > can have different meanings, which it has ALWAYS had and will continue > > > > to have. > > > > > On Oct 14, 8:42 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi y'all - I agree that language changes over time. I remember one of > > > > > my favorite songs as a youth containing the phrase "shall I be blamed > > > > > if god has made me gay." Of course, it referred to a happy person and > > > > > a womanizer. > > > > > This being the case, there is no harm in calling a new phenomenon by a > > > > > new name to remove any confusion. > > > > > > On Oct 14, 9:58 am, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > <<Therefore, a different purpose requires a different name. Q.E.D. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. The meaning of words can change and this one will. > > > > > > Just like the meaning of the word "gay" changed to a new purpose.- > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
