Thanks for the thoughts (and the time you spent looking in to this)
However, I wanted to get your thoughts on naturalism...as discussed in
the podcast with John Shook.  I am just getting in to the literature.
The link I provided on www.naturalism.org is a new find so when I
heard of the podcast on Point of Inquiry my interest peaked.

I would like to address some points you made.

Orn. said >>> Oh, I have learned in
different contexts how cruel it is to play with people who hold such
beliefs, so I seldom engage in such activity. <<<

With this I totally agree.  I tend to shy away from "taking away one's
faith", which most believers "believe" a nontheist skeptic is out to
do.  To each thier own.  I tend to think that methodological natualism
is the best tool humans can use for an objective explaination of
what's out there.  The reason being...because it works.



On Nov 4, 6:01 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> stem, assuming that this is what you wanted me to listen to:
>
> http://www.centerforinquiry.net/mp3_stream/myWimpy.html
>
> I listened to as much as I could and skipped to the end to see the
> conclusion.
>
> Thoughts: I had forgotten how, in my youth, I was fascinated with Erik
> Weisz. I now even remember studying most written about his attempts at
> such communication, prior and after death. In a way, my current
> skepticism is in part based on his work. Oh, I have learned in
> different contexts how cruel it is to play with people who hold such
> beliefs, so I seldom engage in such activity.
>
> Anyway, over the decades, not only have I reached the same conclusion
> (no communication of this kind is possible between the dead and the
> living) but I’ve added a strong intuition for the same result.
>
> All of this is the case even though almost ever culture has stories
> and myths about this type of communication.
>
> I don’t know what else there is to discuss.
>
> On Nov 4, 12:56 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > IF you mean the mp3 from 
> > here:http://www.pointofinquiry.org/the_12th_annual_cfi_houdini_seance/
>
> > I'll try to listen to it and respond. Overall, I consider the things
> > implied by the article there to be based in superstition, a form of
> > ignorance.
>
> > On Nov 4, 12:25 pm, stem cell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > That link will take you to the Point of Inquiry pocast shows.  There
> > > are episode titles there to choose from and the episode in question
> > > with Shook is 28th down from the podcast titled "The 12th annual CFI
> > > Houdini Seance".
>
> > > stemcell
>
> > > On Nov 4, 2:17 pm, stem cell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > I was listening to this podcast today and thought it would be a good
> > > > topic to discuss.  I would like to get personal thoughts on this from
> > > > Orn. and Aaron.  I hope this link goes through.  Just FYI.  More
> > > > information on this can be found atwww.naturalism.org.
>
> > > >www.pointofinquiry.org/john_shook_naturalism_and_the_scientific_outlook/
>
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