Ish, I was sure that you had some backing for your beliefs…you often
do. And, in general, I have found your posting to be rather even
handed and somewhat insightful.

This said, in this one instance, I find what I understand to be your
view to be to be far from the case.

Without belaboring the issue, I referenced your words “they..lack
creativity” as being ‘in some ways’ not close to reality. I also just
referenced your words about the Japanese “…originallity is almost non
existant…”.  I will add directly here that such an assertion appears
absurd to me.

You replied to my using the term ‘Eastern cultures’ with “By the way,
I did not say that all eastern cultures produce few creative
individuals.” I agree. That is not what you said nor what I implied
you said nor is it what you appear to be refuting now.

I retain my original view and clearly say that what you have
referenced in your last two posts does nothing at all to disparage
this view. I invite all to read them and form their own conclusions.


On Jan 2, 8:51 pm, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote:
> Here is another highly revealing article about Japanese Culture. It is
> over 16 years old but that doesn't matter, in my opinion.
>
> http://www.newint.org/issue231/nail.htm
>
> new internationalist
> issue 231 - May 1992
>
> The nail that sticks out
> Conformists belong, non-conformists and ethnic minorities get hammered
> in Japan.
> John Charles and Peter Mallat unravel Japanese groupthink.
>
> 'SHIGOTO ARIMASUKA?' pesters the tall, dark-skinned man at the railway
> exit. He bows incongruously, imitating the mannerisms of the culture
> he envies. 'Sir, Sir... do you have a job for me?'
>
> He is an Iranian day-labourer, doing the hard, dirty jobs now scorned
> by almost all Japanese. After getting one day's work he prowls
> endlessly in search of the next, before bedding down for the night in
> a local park. Sleeping rough is his only option since the local
> flophouse was closed by the authorities. For the most part they cause
> him little trouble. The indifference of the public is, he says, almost
> worse.
>
> He has - or had - a wife in Iran. Is she still there?.., he doesn't
> know. His working conditions?.., a finger-stump is mute testimony.
> Accident insurance?.., the gentleman surely jests. 'We Iranians
> are...' he begins in English, but words soon escape so he switches to
> Japanese. 'We are proud... but war has ruined us.' He shrugs, smiles
> ruefully, and is consumed by the surging crowd.
>
> The old man crouches on the granite steps, mumbling to himself and re-
> fighting long forgotten battles. The salarymen weave wary circles
> round his stinking nest. Nobody has spoken to him here - he says - for
> 20 years. In his sad delusion he imagines that his wealthy wife drives
> him out of the house each day 'to avoid gossip' and picks him up at
> night. In this most group-oriented of societies even the dropouts
> cling to rags of respectability. Wa means 'harmony' or 'proper place':
> the executive in the office and the Little Woman minding the hearth.
> The consequences of social deviance are so alarming that office
> workers between jobs are sometimes forced into masquerades of leaving
> home in the morning to return at the end of the working day. You see
> them snoring in theatres and glumly clock-watching in coffee shops.
>
> Japan is unthinkable without groups. Perhaps they developed from the
> co-operative labour needed in the scattered villages of a rice-growing
> culture. To this day the threat of Mura Hachibu ('rejection from the
> village' or ostracism) by family, university alumnus league, company
> or even golf club would be enough to bring the most determined social
> deviant to heel. It can sometimes seem as if the only escape from the
> demands of the group lies in madness.
>
> The boy shakes his fist and menaces the train guard through the glass.
> He suddenly begins to weep. Everybody on the train is desperately
> playing the game of 'pay no attention'. One passenger - fluent in
> English from residence abroad - feels it necessary to apologize to the
> foreigner for such a wanton ruffling of the 'perfect face' of his
> country. 'I am sorry,' he says. 'He is... strange. His behaviour is...
> not Japanese.' Not Japanese. The words evoke the whole mentality of
> group cohesion and rejection and endlessly-interlocking social nets.
>
> Who are the Japanese?
> Anthropologically it is not at all clear: a conglomerate of
> Polynesian, Malay and mainland Asian elements, perhaps from Mongolia,
> who imposed themselves on the aboriginal Ainu and gradually drove them
> northwards. The precedence of the Ainu in the islands, like the thorny
> subject of Japanese army atrocities against the Chinese in the 1930s,
> is another point glossed over by the schoolbooks.
>
> Culturally it is a different story. Japan has a notion of its own
> uniqueness that many Japanese are convinced an outsider could never
> fathom. The Japanese language ovefflows with words of status, words of
> self-abasement, words of guile and subterfuge - and many words that
> defy accurate translation. Words like Ciri and On translate as 'duty'
> or 'obligation', but the depth of their meaning is quite different.
> Within the tightly-ordered framework of Japanese groups - village,
> family, school, workplace - they weigh heavily indeed. Outside these
> groups they lose almost all meaning. Thus in Japan there is little
> goodwill for someone you don't know and little sense of a broader
> public interest. Peter Tasker, in his book Inside Japan, calls the
> Japanese the 'kindest, cruelest' people in the world. The face
> presented depends entirely on whether you are seen to be part of a
> group or outside it.
>
> On April 28 1952 Japan was restored to its sovereignty after the post-
> war American occupation. The nation had miraculously 'endured the
> unendurable', as the Emperor had enjoined it to do, and had proved a
> surprisingly warm host to thousands of US troops. This paradox is
> usually explained in terms of the group system: events had shown that
> Japan's imperialist ambitions were illusory, and the White Man was top
> dog. Thus all ranks and groupings moved down one notch giving
> Americans top status. One of the first acts of the post-occupation
> government, however, was to require all foreigners to carry a
> fingerprinted ID card. Protests were immediate and continue.
>
> Jack McIntosh, a Canadian missionary with 30 years in Japan, has no
> doubt this law was directed against Koreans and Chinese - the two
> groups who might pass for Japanese most easily. The 680,000 people of
> Korean ancestry are the largest minority group in Japan. Most were
> born here and many speak only Japanese. Yet they must still regularly
> register as 'aliens' and carry the demeaning ID card at all times.
> Some 12,000 apply to become Japanese citizens each year. Detailed
> investigations of kinship and lineage follow. The assumption that they
> will abandon their cultural heritage and even their family name
> provokes hatred and rebellion. Usually only about half the
> applications are successful. McIntosh is an illegal resident himself,
> on account of his refusal to be fingerprinted in 1985. He therefore
> cannot leave Japan. He believes the real purpose of the Alien
> Registration Law is 'to show 16-year-old Korean youth that they are no
> good'.
>
> Hidden Identities
> Many schoolchildren of Korean extraction can give you a harrowing
> description of hiding their backgrounds from their classmates at great
> psychological cost - only to be found out when presenting a different
> passport on a school trip. Their friends melted away before their
> eyes. In Osaka's Ikuno, ward where a quarter of the population is
> Korean, less than five per cent use their real names in business
> dealings. Kim Sung Il, a second-generation Korean, refused
> fingerprinting, was arrested and had his finger prints taken against
> his will. He recounts the story of a school teacher accused of some
> trifling infringement of the Registration Law who was taken from her
> classroom by a hundred police.
>
> Prejudice is deeply ingrained and government policy does little to
> alter it. A ministry spokesman, Kawakami Tomimi, hit the right level
> of bland government euphemism: 'If Koreans remain here indefinitely
> without assimilating, maintaining a separate identity, Japan will have
> a minority problem. That is undesirable.'
>
> In fact, Japan has had a minority problem for centuries, ever since
> the Yamato peoples drove the Ainu to the inhospitable northern island
> of Hokkaido, where they largely remain. Like indigenous peoples
> everywhere, the Ainu have rediscovered their own identity, and are
> pressing for reform.
>
> The Burakumin minority are actually Japanese, the lowest in a pecking
> order of rank that was supposedly abolished way back in 1868. The
> remnants of caste discrimination linger on outside Tokyo or in the
> districts of the capital that tourists never visit. Such people did
> and often still do the 'defiling' tasks of slaughter, tanning, corpse
> disposal and scavenging that society is squeamish about. Despite the
> 'Economic Miracle' labour is still needed to remove human excrement
> especially in country districts - and even in Tokyo itself one on
> eight homes lacks proper drainage.
>
> 'Official Japan' is keen to gloss over the case of the Burakumin - it
> detracts from the image of perfect harmony they want to present to the
> world. The word Burakumin means 'community or hamlet people'. But a
> hostile Japanese society often refers to these outcasts as Eta, a
> brutally frank word meaning 'extreme filth'. Semantics aside, a caste
> of untouchables is still clearly in evidence. The Government has tried
> hard to overcome such prejudice - for Burakumin are Japanese after all
> - in marked contrast to its meagre efforts on behalf of Koreans. But
> such feelings die hard.
>
> One problem has been the Koseki, or Community Registers. Japan is a
> society that pays elaborate courtesies to ancestors and their spirits.
> They are yet another group to which obligations are owed. The Japanese
> go out of their way to prevent any 'mixing of the blood' which they
> feel would pollute and dishonour their family tree. To preserve this
> purity of the lineage (Ie) extensive record-keeping is needed. Hence
> the social importance of Koseki, which details intimate family
> information.
>
> Formerly open to casual inspection, the records are now kept locked in
> an attempt to reduce their influence. Questions about ancestry - in
> job interviews for example - must be carefully posed. But potential
> employees are still vetted for ancestry. Robert Steiber, a worker at
> the Buraku Liberation Centre, suggests one reason is that the employer
> - always seeking 'harmony' - may feel other workers would be
> uncomfortable in the presence of Burakumin. The blame is thus deftly
> transferred to the victim. But the Burakumin are now asserting a pride
> in their identity and challenging conformist Japanese society to
> accept them as they are. It is an uphill fight.
>
> Blood lives
> Another use of the Koseki is to ...
>
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