Hi y'all - I was interested to learn that chimpanzees will become
legal persons. I can't wait to marry one!

On Jan 16, 9:45 am, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote:
> no...but it is what it is - a filed intent to do damage if possible, unless
> I misread the intentions.
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> I was interestingly vague, but who knows what kind of fracas can be
> construed out of hot air...happened before.
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> Okay, I fess up, it was my first visit there and it just pissed me off:)
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> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:49 PM, ornamentalmind 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
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> > CB, without going into depth, did the article discuss details about
> > "Any
> > abuses or problems that come to light in WA, will, as in Oregon, be
> > ignored
> > by state authorities and go mostly unreported by the media."? I
> > haven't heard of any here in Oregon and follow it all quite closely.
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> > On Jan 15, 1:59 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Ok, I had to visit the site but don't worry, I had my barf bucket handy.
> > > So, below are thier major concerns for the year of 2009.  How well they
> > show
> > > thier hand! thanks, we know where to look for trouble:)  NO SUN TZU for
> > > them!
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> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­------------------------------------
> > > *A Dark Year for Ethical Bioethics in 2009
>
> > > By: Wesley J. Smith<
> >http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=13&;...>
> > > *The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network
> >  > January 14, 2009
>
> > > Each year at this time, I predict the coming year's happenings in the
> > field
> > > of bioethics. Such prognostications do not require a crystal ball. It is
> > > merely a matter of being informed about current controversies, sniffing
> > the
> > > air to see which way the wind seems to be blowing, connecting some dots,
> > and
> > > making educated guesses about how things will turn out.
>
> > > Alas, the bioethical events of 2009 are all too easy to foresee. While
> > the
> > > recent election results were not determined by bioethical issues - the
> > > economic meltdown swept all other considerations aside - it amounted to a
> > > cultural earthquake nonetheless because the people now in power have
> > views
> > > that are inimical to the sanctity and equality of human life.
>
> > > Biotechnology
>
> > > The Bush Embryonic Stem Cell Funding Policy is Toast: Let's start with
> > the
> > > obvious: One of the first acts of President Obama will be to dismantle
> > the
> > > Bush ESCR federal funding restrictions. This will allow all embryonic
> > stem
> > > cell lines already in existence - and those that will be manufactured
> > from
> > > "leftover embryos" during the Obama presidency - to qualify for federal
> > > funding.
>
> > > The Amount of Federal Funding of Human ESCR Will Remain Roughly the Same:
> > > The real gripe "the scientists" had with the former Bush policy was not
> > the
> > > amount of financial support - the NIH gave about $160 million in human
> > ESCR
> > > grants during the Bush years. Rather, it was Bush's implied message that
> > it
> > > is wrong morally to use human embryos as instrumentalities and their
> > having
> > > to segregate work on Bush-approved and unapproved cell lines. Those
> > > "problems" are now kaput, but given the economy and the current
> > > technological problems in the field, don't look for the amount of money
> > the
> > > Feds put into ESCR, to rise substantially, if at all, in 2009.
>
> > > New Federal Law Will Explicitly Legalize Therapeutic Cloning: Nearly
> > > everyone claims to want to outlaw human cloning. But some proposed bans
> > are
> > > actually phony. This has been the approach taken by Senators Diane
> > Feinstein
> > > (D-CA) and Orin Hatch (R-UT), who co-authored a bill to legalize human
> > SCNT
> > > for research purposes (sometimes called "therapeutic cloning"), but
> > prohibit
> > > implantation of the cloned embryo into a womb for the purpose of
> > initiating
> > > a pregnancy (sometimes called "reproductive cloning"). Such an explicit
> > > legalization - pretending to be a ban - is likely to pass the Senate this
> > > year, although it might stall in the House. If it gets through Congress
> > it
> > > is a sure bet to be signed into law by President Obama.
>
> > > The Federal Government Will Not Fund Human Cloning in 2009:
> > Feinstein/Hatch
> > > is the necessary precursor to federal funding of human SCNT. While that
> > will
> > > still be the plan, don't expect the agenda to get that far in 2009.
>
> > > Assisted Suicide
>
> > > There were two big news stories about assisted suicide in 2008 -
> > Washington
> > > voters legalized Oregon-style assisted suicide by ballot initiative
> > > (I-1000), and a Montana trial judge declared a constitutional right for
> > the
> > > terminally ill to "die with dignity." These events will materially impact
> > > the future of the field.
>
> > > Washington Assisted Suicide Will Quickly Seem Routine: As with Oregon,
> > > Compassion and Choices will facilitate most assisted suicides in
> > Washington,
> > > allowing the group substantial control over what the media reports about
> > the
> > > issue. With most reporters in the tank for the agenda anyway, we will
> > soon
> > > be told that assisted suicide is completely under control in Washington.
> > Any
> > > abuses or problems that come to light in WA, will, as in Oregon, be
> > ignored
> > > by state authorities and go mostly unreported by the media.
>
> > > The Montana Supreme Court will Create a Constitutional Right to Assisted
> > > Suicide: Too many judges believe that they, rather than the people or
> > > legislators, should decide major social controversies. In this spirit,
> > look
> > > for the Montana Supreme Court to agree with the trial judge that there is
> > a
> > > state constitutional right to assisted suicide.
>
> > > At Least One State Legislature Will Vote to Legalize Assisted Suicide:
> > Look
> > > for Hawaii, California, and/or Vermont to legalize assisted suicide
> > through
> > > the legislative process. Whether these proposals become law will depend
> > on
> > > whether the governors of the affected states have the courage to veto the
> > > bills. I predict that at least one governor will sign such a bill,
> > > establishing another landmark for assisted suicide. That event will open
> > the
> > > floodgates in 2010.
>
> > > Miscellaneous
>
> > > There are many other issues in bioethics that will make the news
> > headlines
> > > in 2009:
>
> > > Abortion: The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) - which would erase all state
> > > laws limiting abortion - will be fought tooth and tong by the pro life
> > > movement. It will not pass in 2009. However, abortions will be eligible
> > for
> > > federal funding by the end of the year.
>
> > > Conscience Clauses: One of the great bioethical battles in the coming
> > years
> > > will be whether medical professionals who do not wish to be complicit in
> > > life-ending activities such as abortion or assisted suicide will be
> > driven
> > > out of health care. The Bush Administration passed a regulation at the
> > end
> > > of his term protecting such dissenting health care workers from being
> > > discriminated against in employment for harkening to the call of
> > conscience.
> > > Look for this rule to be overturned by the Obama Administration, or
> > > overturned by legislation. Thereafter, the drive to exclude health care
> > > professionals who wish to abide by the terms of the Hippocratic Oath will
> > > pick up steam.
>
> > > Human Exceptionalism: Timing is uncertain, but look for the European
> > Court
> > > of Human Rights to declare that chimpanzees are legal persons in Europe,
> > > perhaps this year, but almost certainly by the end of 2010. Spain will
> > > formally pass the Great Ape Project making great apes part of the
> > "community
> > > of equals" with people. Nepal will follow Ecuador in granting "rights" to
> > > nature.
>
> > > Futile Care: Texas will not rescind its law legalizing medical futility
> > in
> > > 2009. At least one lawsuit will make the news in which a family fights a
> > > hospital in court to continue wanted life-sustaining treatment that the
> > > hospital wishes to end.
>
> > > Biological Colonialism: Alas, despite legal attempts to restrict the
> > > exploitation of the world's destitute for their body parts, biological
> > > colonialism (such as buying organs), will increase in 2009.
>
> > > Expect the Unexpected: The field of bioethics is moving so fast and
> > growing
> > > so exponentially, that the biggest bioethics story of the year may be one
> > > that hasn't yet appeared on the horizon - as the surprising breakthrough
> > in
> > > induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs) were in 2007.
>
> > > It's going to be a dark year in 2009. In such an atmosphere, it is more
> > > important than ever to defend the sanctity/equality of human life. The
> > CBC
> > > is dedicated to this struggle and promises to do its utmost to maintain
> > > morality and decency in the world of bioethics in the coming year.
>
> > > --
> > > gnothe se auton
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