RE: If you want the best of both worlds (from a 124 chassis fanatic's 
viewpoint, anyway), the '95 E300D would be it.  Same motor as the '96/'97 
210 chassis car, in the 124 chassis.  Most people that have one love 
them.  And I will agree that the non-turbo 606 drives like an earlier 
turbodiesel, without the lag and turbo whine.  I have to imagine a turbo 
606 is pretty close to nirvana with 177 HP and 244 lb. ft. of torque.

A listing from the STAR (Nov/Dec 1997) shows engine # OM606 is identified with 
Chassis # 140, Sales Designation  S300D Turbo, built in years 1996-. 

The listing also shows engine # OM605 as identified with Chassis # 210, Sales 
Designation E250D, built in years 1996-.

Also, engine # OM606 is identified with Chassis #210, Sales Designation E300D, 
built in years 1996-.

Can anybody make sense out of this?

Joseph

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: '97 300D (JabbaHursty)
   2. Re: ethanol and biodiesel - waste of energy? (John M McIntosh)
   3. diesel records (redghost)
   4. Re: 126 TURN SIGNAL SHIPPED YET? (Rory)
   5. Re: ethanol and biodiesel - waste of energy? (redghost)
   6. Re: 240D - want to drain fuel tank - what size allen wrench?
      (fredrick c. woodland, jr.)
   7. Re: want to drain fuel tank - what size allen wrench? (Fmiser)
   8. Re: 240D - want to drain fuel tank - what size allen wrench?
      (Fmiser)
   9. Re: OT: cheap website hosting services? (Fmiser)
  10. Re: ethanol and biodiesel - waste of energy? (redghost)
  11. The best diesel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
--- Begin Message --- i have 2 300Es, 88 and 92. it seems to me that with a little top end attention, they are also run forever cars like the old 615, 616 and 617 diesels

the 560 107s and 126s are also proven

129, 210, 202, 140 -- none have really made the case for being reasonable keepers and more often make the case for not being such

At 04:00 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> it's sad to hear that the 210 is a step back from the 124 in so many
> ways.  many of us will reach the end of the line with 124, 126 and 107

i feel the same way, however the key is to find one or more decent 1980s
cars and hang on to them....  let's face it, there is nowhere else to go,
possible exception the 1988-92-ish bmw 5-series gassers, after that it's a
wasteland of disposables as far as my eyes can see....

mac


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--- Begin Message --- Well it took a day to sort out what the govt would do, then they went back to work. The union was sent to binding arbitration and didn't get what they wanted in the end.


On 20-Jul-05, at 11:37 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

What then happened to the ferry workers?

1) Got what they were after, no penalties
2) Got fired
3) Got thrown in jail for an illegal strike
4) None of the above

And no other people could be found who could operate a ferry?

--R

John M McIntosh wrote:

John
1983 300TDt  352k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  144k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 165k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)





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--- Begin Message --- In April DCB ran three new 320cdi at the Laredo, TX proving ground. Got 3 world records and 22 international with a 3.2l 24 valve v-6. According to Car and Driver, this engine produces 221hp @ 3800, and 376 lb/ft at 1600. Looks like it is only coming in the E class, but the did try one in a CLK coupe, and said it was like the bif 5.0 v-8. Gets 27/37mpg instead of the 17/25 of the V8

Ran the cars for 100k miles, with average 139.696mph. That is 24 hours for 30 days. Used 180 drivers, (six per car) and 10 serivces/25 wheel changes per team. All they got was 17mpg.

All this from the 8/05 Car and Driver mag


--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA




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Terribly sorry, Dan!

I'd forgotten completely about it.  Please tell me your shipping address again.

Regards,

Rory

On 7/20/05, Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just checking... still haven't seen it. Going on another long road
> trip soon, and would like to have it before then. Thanks!
> 
> --
> Dan Weeks
> 82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 175k
> 82 Mercedes 300SD, 260k
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--- Begin Message --- from what I understand, there was a massive rush to get off imported petro, which caused a boom in ethanol plant construction. The price of petro dropped, cost of ethanol was too high, then petro went through the roof, infrastructure was there, and along with the earlier legislation, all the cars must be able to run high levels of ethanol. They run it straight from what my sources tell me.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2005, at 03:57 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

redghost wrote:

Going to make a huge mess in their drawers when they learn the
Brazilians are using 80% ethenol


I used to hear about Brazilians running p100 (petro) from an aux tank at
startup and then switching over to e100. Are you saying they just use
e85 or e80 full time now?

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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA




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Pleastake my name off the list to receive these e-mails.  There are just too
many and it is clooging up my system.  Thank You
Fredrick C. Woodlands, Jr.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D - want to drain fuel tank - what size allen wrench?


> Don't know if it's changed over the years, but for my W110, the hex
> end of a Craftsman spark plug socket fit the fuel strainer plug
> perfectly.
>
> Allan
> --
> 1966 230
> 1983 300D
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Alan Duff wrote:
>
> > A pipe wrench works just fine.
> >
> > Alan Duff
> > Knoxville, TN
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Tan Qu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote :
> >
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> Does your W115 240D really have a separate drain plug for fuel
> >> tank? On W123/W124/W126/W201, there is a fuel strainer at the
> >> bottom of the fuel tank that requires a 46mm wrench or pipe wrench
> >> to open. Are you trying to clean your fuel tank?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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rumor has it that Christopher wrote:

> Got the 7/8" allen wrench - huge. It's .2mm too big,

> and not
> looking forward to filing .2mm off hardened steel.
> Wish I had an angle grinder...

If it's a good wrench, it will be _almost_ as hard as a file. You could
be there a long time trying to file it down...

A bench grinder would be just the ticket.

Or, buy a grind wheel to put in an electric drill. 

             Philip, lazy





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rumor has it that Christopher wrote:

> It's totally different on a W115. It's an allen plug.
> Either end of a spark plug socket would fit INSIDE the
> allen hex pattern.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> --- Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Don't know if it's changed over the years, but for
> > my W110, the hex 
> > end of a Craftsman spark plug socket fit the fuel
> > strainer plug 
> > perfectly.

Spark plug sockets almost always have an extenal hex. It works well in
tight spaces. Slide the socket on and then use a flat wrench to turn the
socket.

              Philip, who still owns a spark-plug socket. Or two.



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rumor has it that Zeitgeist wrote:

> Could someone provide me with a range of
> web storage requirements (in MB) I would conceivably need to, say,
> maintain an ftp site similar in size and complexity to Dave M's, in
> addition to a text-based website with lots of pics and multiple pages
> (~20 total) with few if any graphics.

That's about like asking "How big of a tool box do I need if I own a
Mercedes Benz?" The answer, of course is, "It depends!" *grin*

The text-based website will probably require less than 5 Meg. The FTP
site will use less than 0.5 Meg _plus_ all the stuff you want available.
Put all the files you want to have on your FTP site into one folder.
Then get Properties on that folder and see how much space it uses. Then
triple that number so you have room to grow. *smile*

> Also, according to CNET some web hosting sites require an annual fee
> for services, but none of the links sent by you folks mentioned this
> in their descriptions--are any of you paying an annual fee in addition
> to your monthly?

I'm using

http://site5.com

No annual fee for the _hosting_. However, the _name_ (domain) does cost
per year.

http://www.godaddy.com is where I have registered all my domains.

              Philip, mechanic/geek



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--- Begin Message --- There is also the use of non grain feed stock which may increase the btu available. Somebody is using the left over chaff and processing that into fuel so more plant matter is able to provide sugars.


On Wednesday, July 20, 2005, at 06:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Peter Frederick wrote:
<< First, for the record, as currently produced, ethanol takes somewhat
more BTUs to produce that it has in it, mostly due to distillation
costs for water removal.  >>>

Careful friends. Do not accept this as fact. And do not base your decisions about ethanol based on this premise.

This idea that it takes more energy to produce ethanol, than ethanol contains, is myth from more than 10 years ago. This myth seems to have originated in a Cornell study (sponsored by the pertroleum industry). That study assumed ethanol is produced using early 20th century farming and distillation technologies. And this is still mostly true for beverage ethanol. But I've never spent much time thinking about the thermal efficiency of my Jack Daniels or Johnny Walker.

Recent USDA studies show that 21st century technologies yield 30 to 40% more energy from fuel ethanol than is invested to produce it. Through modern no till farming, enzyme enhanced fermentation, and highly thermal efficient distillation this yield is constantly increasing.

Does anybody have information about the e-diesels built by Scania? Rumor has it that they run on ethanol.



--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA




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Maybe it's because I'm in California and we are deprived of some MBZ models, 
but the discussion on best MBZ diesels is a little confusing.

My understanding is that CA had the 1995 300D (turbo) and the 1999 E300 
Turbodiesel. Were there any other Diesel models available in CA in the 1990s 
(apart from the ill-fated 350SD)?

Of the two mentioned above, which is preferred? Or is it some other year and 
model?

Joseph

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: want to drain fuel tank - what size allen wrench?
      (Christopher McCann)
   2. Re: ethanol and biodiesel - waste of energy? (John M McIntosh)
   3. Re: Help for Lt. Don's 240D (Don)
   4. Re: OT: cheap website hosting services? (Zeitgeist)
   5. Re: ethanol and biodiesel - waste of energy? (Rich Thomas)
   6. Re: farm tech (Curt Raymond)
   7. '97 300D (Darrell W. Sigmon)
   8. Re: '97 300D (Desert Rat)
   9. Re: '97 300D (Kevin)
  10. Re: '97 300D (JabbaHursty)
  11. Re: '97 300D (Steve MacSween)
  12. Re: '97 300D (Kevin)
  13. Re: '97 300D (Steve MacSween)
  14. Re: '97 300D (Steve MacSween)
  15. Re: '97 300D (Zeitgeist)
  16. Re: '97 300D (J.B. Hebert)
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Got the 7/8" allen wrench - huge. It's .2mm too big,
but haven't tried it yet. Finished up rear brakes and
rotors last night (and adjusted parking brake).
Tonight I will remove A/C system (another story) and
then get to fuel tank. I need to get a bucket for the
fuel and the flush (I think there is ALOT of rust in
there) and I don't have one yet, so I haven't
attempted...sort of enjoying the suspense...and not
looking forward to filing .2mm off hardened steel.
Wish I had an angle grinder...

Christopher

--- Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:59:07 -0500 Fmiser
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > But he's looking for a 22mm for the fuel tank -
> and that's kinda close
> > to 7/8".
> > 
> > I had no trouble finding 3/4 hex stock at the
> machine shop - but I
> > didn't ask about 7/8". I _suspect_ that it is less
> common - but I'm
> > really just guessing...
> 
> When I removed the freeze plug on the side of our
> '72 220D/8's block to
> install a block heater, I ended up buying a 3/4"
> allen wrench; the bolt
> and double nut trick didn't work. And then I had to
> use a 6' length of
> pipe on the wrench (out through the front of the
> engine bay with the
> radiator removed) and lift the front end of the car
> quite a bit before I
> heard a very loud 'crack!' I rushed over to make
> sure the block hadn't
> broken -- fortunately, it hadn't.
> 
> So, purchasing a real allen wrench might be
> necessary. 7/8 inch (0.875")
> is a little large compared with 22 mm (0.866"), so
> he might have a little
> problem with it fitting properly. It is, however,
> certainly worth a try.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 207K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"

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On 19-Jul-05, at 9:28 PM, BenzBarn wrote:

The cheap food policy in NA is really starting to show just how bad things
are getting. ( NA  has the cheapest food in the world ) It's said that
Canada has about 3 days supply of food. I don't believe this but even if it is true what that tells me is we import too much food here. It also tells me
that it's cheaper to import than to support a domestic industry.

Here on vancouver island last winter the ferry workers did an illegal strike for two days, so no car/truck traffic to the island (600,000+ people) The grocery stores had zero milk and vegetables on day 3, plus then a shortage brewing of lots more critical things...


John
1983 300TDt  352k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  144k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 165k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)





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The 240D doesn't need to run for long -- just long enough to pass
Luther and "The Other" Don's S Class cars once.

On 7/20/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:49:32 -0500, OK Don wrote
> > So he can keep up with the rest of us -- --
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/8azm2
> 
> You know, something doesn't add up there.
> 
> He says 120 lbs thrust.  Okay, I can believe that.
> 
> He recommends 15-35 psi of oil pressure.  Hmm...
> 
> Unless the thrust bearing on that turbo has around 4 square inches of surface
> area, it seems to me the oil is going to be pushed out and that engine isn't
> going to run for long.
> 
> 
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Some folks march to the beat of a different drummer.
I don't even need the drum.

-------------

LT Don 
1977 Mercedes 240D (Slug) 
1972 Honda CB-500K



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Thanks to all who responded with your advice regarding web hosting
services.  I've found that most of the services out there throw a lot
of information at you, but don't explain what it means, and how it
applies to specific needs.  Could someone provide me with a range of
web storage requirements (in MB) I would conceivably need to, say,
maintain an ftp site similar in size and complexity to Dave M's, in
addition to a text-based website with lots of pics and multiple pages
(~20 total) with few if any graphics.

Also, according to CNET some web hosting sites require an annual fee
for services, but none of the links sent by you folks mentioned this
in their descriptions--are any of you paying an annual fee in addition
to your monthly?

On 6/21/05, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been roped into selling some artwork and other accumulated items
> on ebay for a longtime family friend, and want to set up a website to
> host pics and other assorted MB related program activities.  Does
> anyone know of a few stable, fairly inexpensive and feature laden
> webhosting companies that can serve my needs?
> 
> This company and package was highly rated on CNET:
> http://hosting.aplus.net/soloxr.html  Anyone have information about
> that company?
> 
> I'm currently suffering from an ignorance overload.

Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (205k) 
'84 300D (201k)
Gasser:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
Olympia, WA



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What then happened to the ferry workers?

1) Got what they were after, no penalties
2) Got fired
3) Got thrown in jail for an illegal strike
4) None of the above

And no other people could be found who could operate a ferry?

--R

John M McIntosh wrote:

On 19-Jul-05, at 9:28 PM, BenzBarn wrote:

The cheap food policy in NA is really starting to show just how bad things
are getting. ( NA  has the cheapest food in the world ) It's said that
Canada has about 3 days supply of food. I don't believe this but even if it is true what that tells me is we import too much food here. It also tells me
that it's cheaper to import than to support a domestic industry.

Here on vancouver island last winter the ferry workers did an illegal strike for two days, so no car/truck traffic to the island (600,000+ people) The grocery stores had zero milk and vegetables on day 3, plus then a shortage brewing of lots more critical things...


John
1983 300TDt  352k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  144k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 165k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)



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Ken,

I'm somewhat of a hobby farmer myself, I play with '50s vintage equipment and 
farm mostly weeds. The farmers of today have amazing technology, my '52 IH 
Super M is like 45hp and was considered a pretty big machine in its day. 
Today's tractors can have 1000hp or better and have GPS and other technological 
gizmos to help the farmer get the best yield possible.
My wild guess would be that in the last 50 years yields have probably trippled 
or quadrupled. In that time the cost of fuel has gone up 10x or more, the 
tractor has gone up 5x or more, wages for employees have gone up probably 5x, 
you get the idea.
The price of corn has gone up doodly and beans has fallen. Its just as bad or 
worse when you talk about milk.

The profit all goes to the middlemen, that $4 box of cornflakes costs $0.05 in 
corn but theres also some small (and I mean piddling) amount to be made by the 
store. So who gets the profit? Thats Kelloggs, they mix some sugar and malt in 
with the corn and boom *profit*. Think like diamonds, they cost NOTHING for the 
raw materials. They're generally cut and polished in India for squat, but for 
some reason we've been duped into believeing they're "rare".

-Curt

Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:58:31 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Re: Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 116
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Scott, not to pick a fight, but would you also comment on the amount of 
time 
the farmer spends in his field nowdays compared to yesteryear? I hear 
you talk 
about farmers needing primary jobs to survive, but I'm also aware that 
there 
is a big difference from plowing the field with an open crawler tractor 
and 
gang plow and the wheeled tractors with enclosed cabs, and air 
conditioning. My 
guess is 1/10 the time? With the modern pesticides and fertilizers 
doesn't the 
farmer also get a better yield per acre? 

I think there is a change that the traditional farmer is going through. 
When 
traditional retail type businesses went through a big change 10 years 
ago they 
coined new words, like "just in time" shipping and paradiem shift, etc. 
I 
think you would agree with me that most of the little mom and pop 
hardware stores 
were gobbled up by the box stores. (Lowes, Home Despot (must be a 
typo)) 
Those business owners who took over the family business from their 
parents were 
suddenly out on the street with their livelyhood destroyed. 

Remember the accountant that worked in the drug store, hardware store 
and 
almost every other business? He spent hours each day tallying reciepts, 
making 
daily deposits at the bank, and figuring inventory. What happened to 
him? He 
lost his job to a computer. He was taken over by the firm who, for 
pennies per 
employee would plug in the hours and spit out paychecks by the tens in 
minutes 
for that company. The cash register now keeps track of inventory and 
totals the 
sales. The credit cards are automatically deducted from the customers 
account 
and credited to the merchant. 

While I am sensitive to your loss of the family farm heritage, it 
appears to 
me that most every other occupation has changed over the years. I 
closed my 
full service, Texaco service station in 1985. A self service mini mart 
now 
stands in it's place. When the gypo stations were selling fuel for less 
than I was 
paying for branded fuel it was hard to make ends meet. I let my NIASE 
(now 
ASE) master mechanic certification lapse and went to a different line 
of work. 
The investment to keep buying the new testing and service devices to 
stay in 
service as an independant mechanic didn't pencil out for me. The last 
scope I 
bought, about 1983 was $3200.00. Ask your mechanic what one costs now. 

The times, they are a changin'. Our challenge is to find a way to keep 
the 
lifestyle we desire and make a decent living. I now work on cars as a 
hobby, and 
have a primary job to pay the bills. Is there a parallel between your 
experience and mine? 

Ken
hoping you get the rain and sun in appropriate amounts.


                
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Any one know any thing about the 1997 300D?
I'm looking at one and the only thing I don't like about it is it is NOT turboed.

Darrell



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One thing I have heard is that there may be some rust issues with the
210 chassis.


On 7/20/05, Darrell W. Sigmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any one know any thing about the 1997 300D?
> I'm looking at one and the only thing I don't like about it is it is NOT
> turboed.
> 
> Darrell
> 
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1992 500 SEL
1985 380SL



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On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 02:47:05PM -0400, Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:
> Any one know any thing about the 1997 300D?
> I'm looking at one and the only thing I don't like about it is it is NOT 
> turboed.

The 210 is not considered as robust of a car as a 124, and is certainly
nowhere near as simple or inexpensive to maintain as a 124 (which is not as
simple or inexpensive as a 123). The 210's known problems seem to hover
around poor rustproofing and cheapening of suspension components, but 
supposedly the ride is wonderful.

Do not be deceived by the engine being non-turbo, that non-turbo engine puts
out more power than the 2.5 turbo that preceeded it in the 124s - I believe 
140 hp. The transmission also likely does not have a dipstick and is not
considered serviceable, but it is highly recommended that it get periodic
services.

K



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At 03:30 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote:
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 02:47:05PM -0400, Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:
> Any one know any thing about the 1997 300D?
> I'm looking at one and the only thing I don't like about it is it is NOT
> turboed.

The 210 is not considered as robust of a car as a 124, and is certainly
nowhere near as simple or inexpensive to maintain as a 124 (which is not as
simple or inexpensive as a 123). The 210's known problems seem to hover
around poor rustproofing and cheapening of suspension components, but
supposedly the ride is wonderful.

Do not be deceived by the engine being non-turbo, that non-turbo engine puts
out more power than the 2.5 turbo that preceeded it in the 124s - I believe
140 hp. The transmission also likely does not have a dipstick and is not
considered serviceable, but it is highly recommended that it get periodic
services.

K

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> but 
> supposedly the ride is wonderful.
> 
> Do not be deceived by the engine being non-turbo, that non-turbo engine puts
> out more power than the 2.5 turbo that preceeded it in the 124s - I believe
> 140 hp.

the w124 is a lovely car with its turbodiesel, but i can assure you that
once you drive an e300d you will think that every other older mercedes you
have ever driven was an oxcart... i absolutely could not believe it, smooth,
responsive and handles like it is on rails....

sorry but i spilled coffee down my keyboard and lost my caps, lol

mac




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On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 03:36:27PM -0400, Steve MacSween wrote:
> the w124 is a lovely car with its turbodiesel, but i can assure you that
> once you drive an e300d you will think that every other older mercedes you
> have ever driven was an oxcart... i absolutely could not believe it, smooth,
> responsive and handles like it is on rails....

The one 210 I've driven (an e430 sport) didn't do it for me. I don't think it
was a particularly well cared for example, but the dead spot in the middle of
the torque curve really turned me off to the whole car. I found the 528i more
impressive of a car, even with significantly less power.

> sorry but i spilled coffee down my keyboard and lost my caps, lol

I thought you were channelling Kaleb for a minute there... :)

K



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the e300d has a torque curve that apparently never ends, even smoother and
quieter than the 300td w124 i drove, and that car shook my world as i had
stepped from a w116 into that....

i did notice the seats seemed a bit odd, almost vw-like in shape and
dimensions, but i am very large and have a weak back so i notice stuff like
that very quickly....

mac
today's lesson is that honey in coffee makes for an unhappy keyboard

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> On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 03:36:27PM -0400, Steve MacSween wrote:
>> the w124 is a lovely car with its turbodiesel, but i can assure you that
>> once you drive an e300d you will think that every other older mercedes you
>> have ever driven was an oxcart... i absolutely could not believe it, smooth,
>> responsive and handles like it is on rails....
> 
> The one 210 I've driven (an e430 sport) didn't do it for me. I don't think it
> was a particularly well cared for example, but the dead spot in the middle of
> the torque curve really turned me off to the whole car. I found the 528i more
> impressive of a car, even with significantly less power.
> 
>> sorry but i spilled coffee down my keyboard and lost my caps, lol
> 
> I thought you were channelling Kaleb for a minute there... :)
> 
> K
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> it's sad to hear that the 210 is a step back from the 124 in so many
> ways.  many of us will reach the end of the line with 124, 126 and 107

i feel the same way, however the key is to find one or more decent 1980s
cars and hang on to them....  let's face it, there is nowhere else to go,
possible exception the 1988-92-ish bmw 5-series gassers, after that it's a
wasteland of disposables as far as my eyes can see....

mac




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There's no oil pressure gauge to keep my eyes occupied--how could I
live without that?  I'm sorry, but I have to put my foot down; no
gauge no deal!

On 7/20/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > it's sad to hear that the 210 is a step back from the 124 in so many
> > ways.  many of us will reach the end of the line with 124, 126 and 107
> 
> i feel the same way, however the key is to find one or more decent 1980s
> cars and hang on to them....  let's face it, there is nowhere else to go,
> possible exception the 1988-92-ish bmw 5-series gassers, after that it's a
> wasteland of disposables as far as my eyes can see....

Casey
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (206k) 
'84 300D (202k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (184k)
Olympia, WA



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J.B. Hebert

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'76 Ford Bronco
'78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8
'80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe
'82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased)
'93 GMC Sierra 2500
'95 Mercedes E300D

At 03:56 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote:
the e300d has a torque curve that apparently never ends, even smoother and
quieter than the 300td w124 i drove, and that car shook my world as i had
stepped from a w116 into that....

i did notice the seats seemed a bit odd, almost vw-like in shape and
dimensions, but i am very large and have a weak back so i notice stuff like
that very quickly....

mac
today's lesson is that honey in coffee makes for an unhappy keyboard

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 03:36:27PM -0400, Steve MacSween wrote:
>> the w124 is a lovely car with its turbodiesel, but i can assure you that
>> once you drive an e300d you will think that every other older mercedes you
>> have ever driven was an oxcart... i absolutely could not believe it, smooth,
>> responsive and handles like it is on rails....
>
> The one 210 I've driven (an e430 sport) didn't do it for me. I don't think it > was a particularly well cared for example, but the dead spot in the middle of > the torque curve really turned me off to the whole car. I found the 528i more
> impressive of a car, even with significantly less power.
>
>> sorry but i spilled coffee down my keyboard and lost my caps, lol
>
> I thought you were channelling Kaleb for a minute there... :)
>
> K
>
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