All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there.

My taxes were lower in Canda, too.

Peter

On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http:// allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http:// www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/ rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate.

Hendrik
who is not a statistician



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